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Re: Manafort asked to surrender to FBI
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2017, 01:54:36 PM »

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Manafort's the headline, but the more meaningful story for the big picture may be that George Papadopoulus, a foreign policy advisor to Trump's campaign, pleaded guilty to charges related to, at minimum, attempting to collude with the Russian gov't to get emails from Hillary Clinton.

Plea documents here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf

This plea and the statements in the doc that Papadopoulus has been giving info to the feds strongly suggests he's flipped and is aiding investigations against others to save himself.

Manafort himself is of course dirty as hell, particularly with Russia, and it was widely known - there were stories about this from the day he joined the campaign. Now the question is if he flips on anyone else too.
So this plea said Papadopolous "repeatedly sought to arrange ... a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials". Isn't that against US law?

There is a law that US citizen's can't meet with government officials from other countries? Yikes, bunch of people going to jail.  And this wasn't even someone for the Russian government, it was a Professor. 

I like that you throw in collude to get the emails back instead of, asking the Russians for US property to be returned to the American people. There was no colluding, they asked for the emails if Russia took them.   Colluding implies a working together.  Whatever Russia had, if they had them, they already stole.  If the FBI can't get those emails off Hillary's bleach bit hard drive, I'm pretty certain the Russians can't.

Partisanship is a helluva drug. Holy cow, the mental contortions it must take to believe this. Presumably he just lied to the FBI about it out of modesty?

The emails they're almost certainly talking about, BTW, are the ones from Podesta's account which were stolen just a couple of weeks before Papadopoulus and the campaign was notified. The ones Wikileaks eventually released hours after the Access Hollywood video broke and have repeatedly claimed didn't come from Russia.

Lollerskates on this exchange. Returned to the American people? Yikes.

My favorite part of this has to be Trump & Co.'s 'Clintons Did It!' Kansas City Shuffle strategy. At first, it is wildly infuriating, but after a while just the sheer audacity is stunning. Angry Chainsmoker Who Quit Yesterday Sarah Huckabee Sanders has my favorite rebuttal:

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"I think we are seeing now that if there was any collusion with Russia, it was between the DNC and the Clintons, and certainly not our campaign,” Sanders told reporters.


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Re: Manafort asked to surrender to FBI
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2017, 05:12:44 PM »

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Manafort's the headline, but the more meaningful story for the big picture may be that George Papadopoulus, a foreign policy advisor to Trump's campaign, pleaded guilty to charges related to, at minimum, attempting to collude with the Russian gov't to get emails from Hillary Clinton.

Plea documents here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf

This plea and the statements in the doc that Papadopoulus has been giving info to the feds strongly suggests he's flipped and is aiding investigations against others to save himself.

Manafort himself is of course dirty as hell, particularly with Russia, and it was widely known - there were stories about this from the day he joined the campaign. Now the question is if he flips on anyone else too.
So this plea said Papadopolous "repeatedly sought to arrange ... a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials". Isn't that against US law?

There is a law that US citizen's can't meet with government officials from other countries? Yikes, bunch of people going to jail.  And this wasn't even someone for the Russian government, it was a Professor. 

I like that you throw in collude to get the emails back instead of, asking the Russians for US property to be returned to the American people. There was no colluding, they asked for the emails if Russia took them.   Colluding implies a working together.  Whatever Russia had, if they had them, they already stole.  If the FBI can't get those emails off Hillary's bleach bit hard drive, I'm pretty certain the Russians can't.

Partisanship is a helluva drug. Holy cow, the mental contortions it must take to believe this. Presumably he just lied to the FBI about it out of modesty?

The emails they're almost certainly talking about, BTW, are the ones from Podesta's account which were stolen just a couple of weeks before Papadopoulus and the campaign was notified. The ones Wikileaks eventually released hours after the Access Hollywood video broke and have repeatedly claimed didn't come from Russia.

Lollerskates on this exchange. Returned to the American people? Yikes.

My favorite part of this has to be Trump & Co.'s 'Clintons Did It!' Kansas City Shuffle strategy. At first, it is wildly infuriating, but after a while just the sheer audacity is stunning. Angry Chainsmoker Who Quit Yesterday Sarah Huckabee Sanders has my favorite rebuttal:

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"I think we are seeing now that if there was any collusion with Russia, it was between the DNC and the Clintons, and certainly not our campaign,” Sanders told reporters.


The craziest thing isn't that Trump supporters were flipped almost instantly from mocking the very idea that Russia interfered in our election at all to believing they totally did, just on Hillary's behalf. The malleability and gullibility of that group's been clear for a very long time, as has the constant whatabouting and projection their leaders use to dodge accountability.

The craziest thing is that rabid supporters of "America First" now join their opponents in believing a foreign country attacked our elections, and against the guy they like to boot, but don't seem to be the least bit angry at them for it, simply because they haven't been told to be.

Re: Manafort asked to surrender to FBI
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2017, 06:53:38 PM »

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Judging by the fact that the senior aides turned down Papdopolous' request to meet with and visit the Russians and even noted it was illegal to do as a private citizen, the Trump camp has to be happy with the news today. Manafort and Gates both were indicted for pre-Trump activities.

It still doesn't look good that Trump surrounded himself with such individuals. The ongoing investigation into many other Trump aides and associates involved in Russia is still unexplained but we will see if anything comes of it.

Wonder if Trump would pardon Gates and Manafort if they are found guilty while he is President?

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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2017, 07:03:11 PM »

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The only people going to jail are the Clinton's and Obama's.  The Clinton's were broke when they left the White House.  Now they are worth hundreds of millions????   Selling 20% of our Uranium to the Russians for personal gain is treason.  All parties should be sentenced to death when convicted!!!

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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2017, 07:13:34 PM »

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The only people going to jail are the Clinton's and Obama's.  The Clinton's were broke when they left the White House.  Now they are worth hundreds of millions????   Selling 20% of our Uranium to the Russians for personal gain is treason.  All parties should be sentenced to death when convicted!!!

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-distract-robert-mueller-explained-807999089c9e/

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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2017, 08:04:11 PM »

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The only people going to jail are the Clinton's and Obama's.  The Clinton's were broke when they left the White House.  Now they are worth hundreds of millions????   Selling 20% of our Uranium to the Russians for personal gain is treason.  All parties should be sentenced to death when convicted!!!
Why the only? Are there no other political opponents you're interested in jailing, third-world-country style? I'm disappointed.
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2017, 09:21:26 PM »

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The only people going to jail are the Clinton's and Obama's.  The Clinton's were broke when they left the White House.  Now they are worth hundreds of millions????   Selling 20% of our Uranium to the Russians for personal gain is treason.  All parties should be sentenced to death when convicted!!!

It's too late, they were already executed for Benghazi and, um, political groups having to fill out an extra form to be classified as non-political charities for tax purposes.


Judging by the fact that the senior aides turned down Papdopolous' request to meet with and visit the Russians and even noted it was illegal to do as a private citizen, the Trump camp has to be happy with the news today. Manafort and Gates both were indicted for pre-Trump activities.

I don't think they're the least bit happy; the investigation's ongoing, Papadopoulus is described as a "proactive cooperator" which apparently means he's very likely been wearing a wire. The plea deal is also very clear that it doesn't contain everything Mueller's team knows, just enough to establish he's guilty of what he's pleading to.

Also remember Mueller doesn't have to find collusion to take down Trump. Manafort was caught money laundering (among other things) and Trump's been busted multiple times for it, mainly through his casino. If Trump's wrapped up in dirty foreign money (completely unsurprising), charges would be appropriate, and the lack of disclosure would merit removal from office, though I'm not holding my breath on that actually happening.

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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2017, 10:18:37 PM »

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The only people going to jail are the Clinton's and Obama's.  The Clinton's were broke when they left the White House.  Now they are worth hundreds of millions????   Selling 20% of our Uranium to the Russians for personal gain is treason.  All parties should be sentenced to death when convicted!!!

It's too late, they were already executed for Benghazi and, um, political groups having to fill out an extra form to be classified as non-political charities for tax purposes.


Judging by the fact that the senior aides turned down Papdopolous' request to meet with and visit the Russians and even noted it was illegal to do as a private citizen, the Trump camp has to be happy with the news today. Manafort and Gates both were indicted for pre-Trump activities.

I don't think they're the least bit happy; the investigation's ongoing, Papadopoulus is described as a "proactive cooperator" which apparently means he's very likely been wearing a wire. The plea deal is also very clear that it doesn't contain everything Mueller's team knows, just enough to establish he's guilty of what he's pleading to.

Also remember Mueller doesn't have to find collusion to take down Trump. Manafort was caught money laundering (among other things) and Trump's been busted multiple times for it, mainly through his casino. If Trump's wrapped up in dirty foreign money (completely unsurprising), charges would be appropriate, and the lack of disclosure would merit removal from office, though I'm not holding my breath on that actually happening.
oooh, now that would be an interesting twist to get him.  it's like taking down Capone for tax evasion

Re: Manafort asked to surrender to FBI
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2017, 10:26:56 PM »

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The only people going to jail are the Clinton's and Obama's.  The Clinton's were broke when they left the White House.  Now they are worth hundreds of millions????   Selling 20% of our Uranium to the Russians for personal gain is treason.  All parties should be sentenced to death when convicted!!!

It's too late, they were already executed for Benghazi and, um, political groups having to fill out an extra form to be classified as non-political charities for tax purposes.


Judging by the fact that the senior aides turned down Papdopolous' request to meet with and visit the Russians and even noted it was illegal to do as a private citizen, the Trump camp has to be happy with the news today. Manafort and Gates both were indicted for pre-Trump activities.

I don't think they're the least bit happy; the investigation's ongoing, Papadopoulus is described as a "proactive cooperator" which apparently means he's very likely been wearing a wire. The plea deal is also very clear that it doesn't contain everything Mueller's team knows, just enough to establish he's guilty of what he's pleading to.

Also remember Mueller doesn't have to find collusion to take down Trump. Manafort was caught money laundering (among other things) and Trump's been busted multiple times for it, mainly through his casino. If Trump's wrapped up in dirty foreign money (completely unsurprising), charges would be appropriate, and the lack of disclosure would merit removal from office, though I'm not holding my breath on that actually happening.
Yeah, happy probably wasn't the right word but content with what came out to spin it to his base that he is not complicit with anything...so far. I just wonder if Mueller has enough to look into Trump's financials and catch him in a tax fraud case. My guess is no, but this investigation and info coming out about it is still going to be ongoing for a while.

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2017, 04:31:10 PM »

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FOX NEWS - Judge Napolitano on Why He Believes Trump Campaign Adviser 'Wore a Wire'

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/11/01/judge-napolitano-george-papadopolous-probably-wore-wire-after-arrest-mueller-russia-probe


You know this is serious when Fox News - Shep Smith - is reporting this..

Napolitano also said it's telling that Papadopolous was not charged with obstruction of justice, perhaps because he has already provided "significant assistance" to investigators.

I still don't think that Trump himself will be indited, but those around him will be....including Jared.

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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2017, 04:42:24 PM »

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Will dump this here for lack of a better place (because we apparently don't have a DT thread yet again). Clapper on the Russian interference:

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“Why wouldn’t he?” Clapper responded. “I mean, the Russians succeeded, I believe, beyond their wildest expectations. Their first objective in the election was to sow discontent, discord and disruption in our political life, and they have succeeded to a fare-thee-well. They have accelerated, amplified the polarization and the divisiveness in this country, and they’ve undermined our democratic system. They wanted to create doubt in the minds of the public about our government and about our system, and they succeeded to a fare-thee-well.”

“They’ve been emboldened,” he added, “and they will continue to do this.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/30/james-clapper-russia-global-politico-trump-215761

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