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Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2017, 07:36:22 PM »

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Having Bagley would be a good problem to hawb if you view him as that

Having any player picked within the top 5 is a good problem to have.

Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2017, 10:06:05 PM »

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Are the Lakers a bottom 5 team?

They will be by next month lol.

Didn't take that long.

Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2017, 11:25:01 PM »

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Are the Lakers a bottom 5 team?

They will be by next month lol.

Didn't take that long.

Seems like their slide in the standings coincides with Lopez going down - their one decent veteran and big. He'll most likely be back before long, at which point the Lakers will probably start winning at least a few games. Given how tightly bunched the teams are, it won't take much for them to move up - just by winning their next game they could move from 3d worst to 6th.

For the Lakers to stay at the bottom, we'll probably need to see more signs of life from the other bottom feeders - which we kind of have, recently. Chicago, Dallas, maybe Memphis will probably look better over the second half - which would be very good news for the Cs. 


Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2017, 12:02:42 AM »

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Marvin Bagley 32 points and 21 rebounds tonight in win over FSU.

Just a beast within.

What I really, really like about him is his motor and some of his drives - some of them reminded me of Tatum, the way he used his length and body control to get under or around defenders to the rim. That kind of ability is likely going to translate.

Today's game plan gave us a pretty limited view of his potential, though. When Duke had the ball, a lot of the time he just set up on the block waiting for an entry pass or a shot to go up. Camping out on the block alongside Carter, another lottery-level talent, set him up for rebound after rebound and plenty of putback opportunities against shorter, less athletic players. He won't be doing that in the NBA.

I still think he should be a plus rebounder - his physical tools are better than Tatum's, and he's got miles of desire. He's probably more of a go-and-get-it guy than someone with the bulk to box out the Enes Kanters and Marcin Gortats of the world. I wouldn't count on him being a truly elite rebounder unless he really grows into it. What else he brings on offense was harder to see.  Based on a few drives, it looks like he should definitely be able to attack a closeout or get to the rim if the defense is scrambling. But can he shoot? That's the 100 million dollar question, which would open everything up. He just wasn't asked to do that today. Hopefully, if the Cs get him, he's doing the same drills as Tatum!

Here's a weird question out of today's game - can he set a good screen and then roll?  That seems like a very teachable skill, but it may be one he'll need to develop. I didn't see anything useful develop from the few high screens he set; not sure if that's on him or the guards. Let's just say he didn't look anything like Horford or Baynes, or even Theis; defenders easily slipped every screen. Surely if Theis can do it, Bagley can learn - and I see no reason he can't be a deadly roll man.

On defense Duke spent a lot of time in zone. He showed good energy closing out on shooters,and he seemed to recover well on p and r defense a few times they were in man; I don't remember him standing out on the defensive end, or being challenged much, but I might have missed a few plays.

Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2018, 03:32:40 PM »

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As of right now I see a Chris Webber "light" big man playing in a weak big man era. He should definitely still be top 5 but he isn't worth the hype.

That's probably the best comp I've seen for Bagley.  I agree - their bodies and the way they move are eerily similary.

Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2018, 03:56:39 PM »

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As of right now I see a Chris Webber "light" big man playing in a weak big man era. He should definitely still be top 5 but he isn't worth the hype.

That's probably the best comp I've seen for Bagley.  I agree - their bodies and the way they move are eerily similary.

Im not sure I agree with the Webber comp.  That said, I think C-Webb was borderline Hall of Famer if he didnt get hurt in the prime of his career (had just turned 30 and was in the middle of a five-year All-NBA run).  And hes the player from another era Id most like to see in the current era of stretch bigs.

Webber being a good Bagley comp would elevate Bagley in my eyes (hes already 1B for me with Doncic at 1A).

Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2018, 04:18:08 PM »

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As of right now I see a Chris Webber "light" big man playing in a weak big man era. He should definitely still be top 5 but he isn't worth the hype.

That's probably the best comp I've seen for Bagley.  I agree - their bodies and the way they move are eerily similary.

If Bagley is the next Chris Webber, hes worth the hype.


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Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2018, 05:08:59 PM »

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As of right now I see a Chris Webber "light" big man playing in a weak big man era. He should definitely still be top 5 but he isn't worth the hype.

That's probably the best comp I've seen for Bagley.  I agree - their bodies and the way they move are eerily similary.

If Bagley is the next Chris Webber, hes worth the hype.

Definitely, Webber was such a rare talent blessed with great tools. Top 10 overall talent out of all the players drafted since him ('93.) in my eyes. He would be 1st pick in this years draft, due to such safe high floor/ceiling.
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Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2018, 05:45:12 PM »

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If Bagley is the next Chris Webber, hes worth the hype.

The little bit I have seen him reminds me of Okafor 2.0 which scares me.

Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2018, 01:17:09 AM »

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The more I see Bagley play the more I like him. I think his defense is better than what it shown because of coach Ks outdated defense. Tatum looked lost on defense in coach Ks system the same way

Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2018, 02:48:27 AM »

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If Bagley is the next Chris Webber, hes worth the hype.

The little bit I have seen him reminds me of Okafor 2.0 which scares me.

I don't mean this snarkily at all, but you really need to watch more Bagley
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Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2018, 04:21:10 AM »

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If Bagley is the next Chris Webber, hes worth the hype.

The little bit I have seen him reminds me of Okafor 2.0 which scares me.
Not really remotely similar
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Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2018, 12:43:18 PM »

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If Bagley is the next Chris Webber, he’s worth the hype.

The little bit I have seen him reminds me of Okafor 2.0 which scares me.
Not really remotely similar

I agree - Bagley has a much lighter frame, a very high motor, very fluid.

Not totally sold on him, but on balance I think he's worth the pick. My main worries with him are about where he slots in. He should develop into a plus defender at the 4 - he moves so well - but I wonder if he has the strength to play small-ball 5. He's great around the bucket in college, but how much of that is athleticism, where he won't have the same edge in the pros. And can he play as a true stretch four, with shooting and ability to attack closeouts. Again, I see enough to think he probably can do this- he's not a pure straight-line driver like Josh Jackson, and his shot doesn't look broken - but we're still projecting potential.

Re: Marvin Bagley
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2018, 12:52:17 PM »

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If Bagley is the next Chris Webber, hes worth the hype.

The little bit I have seen him reminds me of Okafor 2.0 which scares me.
Not really remotely similar

I agree - Bagley has a much lighter frame, a very high motor, very fluid.

Not totally sold on him, but on balance I think he's worth the pick. My main worries with him are about where he slots in. He should develop into a plus defender at the 4 - he moves so well - but I wonder if he has the strength to play small-ball 5. He's great around the bucket in college, but how much of that is athleticism, where he won't have the same edge in the pros. And can he play as a true stretch four, with shooting and ability to attack closeouts. Again, I see enough to think he probably can do this- he's not a pure straight-line driver like Josh Jackson, and his shot doesn't look broken - but we're still projecting potential.

This is pretty much what I see as well.   Development of the perimeter skills is what I'll be watching for this year.

Re: Marvin Bagley Thread
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2018, 01:39:55 PM »

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Sort of reminds me of a taller Josh Jackson.  In terms of his body, especially.  Worry that he doesn't have the frame to fill out.  Obviously a better prospect than Jackson, though.