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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2017, 05:12:25 PM »

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While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2017, 05:36:36 PM »

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While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wide open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.


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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2017, 06:23:50 PM »

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I mean there's nothing we can do. The NBA schedules them not us lol.

It's amazing that we were able to win 16 games in a row, 5 or 6 minutes right after Gordon Hayward made his Celtics debut and he is out for the year, forcing the C's to adjust right on the spot and reroute their ship.

No excuses. The C's didn't execute well enough last night, especially the bench and Horford. Even then, they came within 1 in South Beach before Dion Waiters went for the kill.

Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2017, 07:12:38 PM »

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While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wife open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.

I agree with you Roy, this is quite embarrassing!

I do believe in law of averages and have seen enough of their games to know none of them are intrinsically that bad (question mark in Smart though, lol).

They are young, let's give them time they will figure it out.
Almost all players go through tough patches shooting the ball...

Its true its ackward all of them doing it at the same time.

If you remember, we were arguing in another thread about this year vs last year celtics team, and i anticipated this year team to be better defensively and on the board (hope you agree with me know) but did acknowledged shooting as being the potential issue... so i can say we agree on that part, despite brown being better than i anticipated....

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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2017, 09:40:22 PM »

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While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wide open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.

Hahaha Rozier is the best of the bunch!

But seriously, this is cherry picking a bit. This isn't a bench unit that plays together. I'm surprised you didn't add Yabu to your list. I bet if u put Baynes, Theis and Morris up there it wouldn't look so bad. What I do notice about your list is that they are all young guys....

Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2017, 11:35:03 PM »

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While rest may have some impact, the opponents’ rest doesn’t really account for our bench’s inability to hit open shots.

Wow!! Too much to say here but let's focus on the main point:

1-  my main point is not just about opponent rest, but opponent having time to plan against us more methodically.
 
2- rest (or lack of thereof) definitely can be a factor for shot accuracy. Having to chase fresher, more rested opponents game after game after game does take a toll on you.

3- finally, not sure we have our expectation right with that bench full of young players. We all know what the bench is good at. They provide value. If they are also hitting all open shots then maybe we should win the title this year!! I agree we lack a reliable 3pt specialist in this team.

But i feel you are a little too harsh with the bench which came through for us numerous times so far this year. I will roll with my bench and hope Danny sees the need to add 3pt shooting and low post scoring to complement a great young bench.

Do you disagree that the bench has struggled hitting open shots?

FG% when wide open (defender 6+ feet away):

Smart: 21.1%
Larkin: 23.5%
Semi: 23.8%
Nader: 25.0%
Rozier: 26.1%

That is atrocious, and there’s no real excuse.  On average, those guys are getting a combined eight shots per game that are completely wide open, and they’re missing six of those shots.

4 guys on rookie contracts and 1 who just got back to the NBA. I wonder why they are struggling.

Seriously, the growing pains are difficult, but the system is built to support the young players as they develop.
Brad Stevens is greater than you think.

Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2017, 11:14:41 PM »

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Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!

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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2017, 12:59:11 AM »

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Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.
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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2017, 01:46:12 AM »

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https://twitter.com/Scott_Souza/status/934253925791883265?s=17

Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)

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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2017, 01:50:18 AM »

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Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.
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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2017, 03:37:24 AM »

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Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.

I can provide you highlights of rozier knocking down 3pt shoots and you can provide me highlights of him missing.
Like I said, one looks at ability, the other looks at the statistics...
I have seen him been relied upon in crunch time situation and he delivered cluntch 3s numerous times.
If brad stevens comments also are not enough proof for you i guess there isnt much i would say to change your mind.
The kid has the ability. He has been missing more often recently. I beleive in law of averages.
If all that is not enough for you, then I wont spend much more time arguing he has the ability, I will let Rozier shoots do the talking...

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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2017, 07:31:29 AM »

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He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

CBS has to play the guys on the roster.   I don't think he is enamored of all our players.   You can clearly read disgust on his face from time to time.  He is a classy guy who doesn't rip or blame players when we lose.

I think the main he expects is an effort.   I have seen him yank guy who dogged it on D at times.

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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2017, 09:08:35 AM »

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Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.

I can provide you highlights of rozier knocking down 3pt shoots and you can provide me highlights of him missing.
Like I said, one looks at ability, the other looks at the statistics...
I have seen him been relied upon in crunch time situation and he delivered cluntch 3s numerous times.
If brad stevens comments also are not enough proof for you i guess there isnt much i would say to change your mind.
The kid has the ability. He has been missing more often recently. I beleive in law of averages.
If all that is not enough for you, then I wont spend much more time arguing he has the ability, I will let Rozier shoots do the talking...
you clearly dont, because the law of averages say that he sucks as a shooter.

Its not like 2+ years is a small sample size. He was inefficient at Louisville too. Its not like this is some 2 weeks slump. He sucked shooting it as a rookie. He sucked shooting it last year and he is sucking again.

He has made big jumpers and so has Marcus Smart. Marcus Smart also sucks at shooting. There isnt anything you can do to convince me that Terry is a good shooter, because there is close to 0 evidence that he is one.
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Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2017, 04:07:00 PM »

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Totally agree with coach Stevens statement above...

We have enough proof that Rozier is a good shooter not to give him the benefice of the doubt that maybe he is not trash and just going through a tough shooting drought like 99% of the NBA players have or will..!!
Proof? What proof?

He shot awfully last year and worse the year before.

I guess you should ask brad stevens...
(ability vs statistics)
Yeah, I could ask Brad and he could give me a good answer. He sees Rozier every day in practice. I don't. You don't.

We've seen close to no proof.

Although he shoots a pretty decent free throw percentages.

I can provide you highlights of rozier knocking down 3pt shoots and you can provide me highlights of him missing.
Like I said, one looks at ability, the other looks at the statistics...
I have seen him been relied upon in crunch time situation and he delivered cluntch 3s numerous times.
If brad stevens comments also are not enough proof for you i guess there isnt much i would say to change your mind.
The kid has the ability. He has been missing more often recently. I beleive in law of averages.
If all that is not enough for you, then I wont spend much more time arguing he has the ability, I will let Rozier shoots do the talking...
you clearly dont, because the law of averages say that he sucks as a shooter.

Its not like 2+ years is a small sample size. He was inefficient at Louisville too. Its not like this is some 2 weeks slump. He sucked shooting it as a rookie. He sucked shooting it last year and he is sucking again.

He has made big jumpers and so has Marcus Smart. Marcus Smart also sucks at shooting. There isnt anything you can do to convince me that Terry is a good shooter, because there is close to 0 evidence that he is one.
I remember the same being said of Avery...
I ve seen Rozier training videos. I believe in his hard work and ability to shoot...

Anyways, here is the deal, you seat back, relax, and enjoy watching Rozier make you eat back those words, and hopefully you will be man enough to come back here and admit you were wrong about this : YOU not trusting his ability from what YOU have seen and heard, doesnt mean WE can not trust the amount of proofs WE have seen and heard....

And by law of averages i meant believing that rozier is more than a 23% 3pt shooter... 

Re: Celtics being screwed up in Opponents days of Rest before confrontations
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2017, 12:42:18 AM »

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https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/935370552885366785?s=17

This is astonishing!!

Would be surprised if any other team in the NBA has any DEADLY stretch like this.... ever??

And for us to still be leading the nba after this is mind boggling to me!!

When i first wrote this earlier in the season, i was guessing we would at best be a .500 team through those 14 games...

Impressive!!