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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2017, 07:08:57 AM »

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Simmons with a triple-double, Embiid with 30. And Fultz increases his tiny sample of suckiness to 4.
Simmons looks very good (although he needs to improve shooting to be a franchise star). Embiid is a franchise star if he says healthy. I am losing confidence in fultz every game. I'll keep beleiving he has a chance to be very good, but I like the trade more every day.

The ROY race is between Simmons and Ball. Nobody else will even come close to challenging those two. They will have all the playing time, opportunity, and media attention to put up the crazy stats, and they are also actually both [dang] good.

What about Tatum? Don't get how a guy putting up huge stats and starting in Boston is behind two potential lottery teams.

I love Tatum, and he will get playing time, but the Celtics play a very team oriented game, and he will not see the shot attempts or get the ball enough to compete with two guys who will be putting up triple-doubles throughout the season. The Celtics would need to challenge for the #1 seed in the East with Tatum playing a major role just for him to even be in consideration imo.
This is why winning ROY is a bit of a misnomer.  It is supposed to reflect the potential of the winner to be next superstar in the league, but in reality it is skewed by the fact that lottery teams are usually terrible and so they play their #1 pick a lot.  ROY is the least memorable award in the NBA.  It would be nice for Tatum to win it, but it doesn't really matter.

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #106 on: October 24, 2017, 10:55:36 AM »

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This article on Kelly Oubre Jr had some good stuff.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/10/20/16506934/kelly-oubre-wizards-bench-depth

The Ringer also published an article on Fultz: less original, more of a summary of what has happened the last few months. Links to the fans tweets  was the part I liked the most.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/10/23/16518782/markelle-fultz-sixers-early-season-panic

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #107 on: October 24, 2017, 11:15:59 AM »

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Simmons with a triple-double, Embiid with 30. And Fultz increases his tiny sample of suckiness to 4.
Simmons looks very good (although he needs to improve shooting to be a franchise star). Embiid is a franchise star if he says healthy. I am losing confidence in fultz every game. I'll keep beleiving he has a chance to be very good, but I like the trade more every day.

The ROY race is between Simmons and Ball. Nobody else will even come close to challenging those two. They will have all the playing time, opportunity, and media attention to put up the crazy stats, and they are also actually both [dang] good.

What about Tatum? Don't get how a guy putting up huge stats and starting in Boston is behind two potential lottery teams.

I love Tatum, and he will get playing time, but the Celtics play a very team oriented game, and he will not see the shot attempts or get the ball enough to compete with two guys who will be putting up triple-doubles throughout the season. The Celtics would need to challenge for the #1 seed in the East with Tatum playing a major role just for him to even be in consideration imo.
This is why winning ROY is a bit of a misnomer.  It is supposed to reflect the potential of the winner to be next superstar in the league, but in reality it is skewed by the fact that lottery teams are usually terrible and so they play their #1 pick a lot.  ROY is the least memorable award in the NBA.  It would be nice for Tatum to win it, but it doesn't really matter.
The rookie of the year is supposed to reflect the rookie that had the best season.  Similar to the MVP in that regard.  And while role and team record comes into play, those awards are often statistical based awards.  Rookies with the best stats are often high draft picks on bad teams.  Just the nature of the beast. 
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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #108 on: October 24, 2017, 11:35:01 AM »

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Simmons with a triple-double, Embiid with 30. And Fultz increases his tiny sample of suckiness to 4.
Simmons looks very good (although he needs to improve shooting to be a franchise star). Embiid is a franchise star if he says healthy. I am losing confidence in fultz every game. I'll keep beleiving he has a chance to be very good, but I like the trade more every day.

The ROY race is between Simmons and Ball. Nobody else will even come close to challenging those two. They will have all the playing time, opportunity, and media attention to put up the crazy stats, and they are also actually both [dang] good.

What about Tatum? Don't get how a guy putting up huge stats and starting in Boston is behind two potential lottery teams.

I love Tatum, and he will get playing time, but the Celtics play a very team oriented game, and he will not see the shot attempts or get the ball enough to compete with two guys who will be putting up triple-doubles throughout the season. The Celtics would need to challenge for the #1 seed in the East with Tatum playing a major role just for him to even be in consideration imo.
This is why winning ROY is a bit of a misnomer.  It is supposed to reflect the potential of the winner to be next superstar in the league, but in reality it is skewed by the fact that lottery teams are usually terrible and so they play their #1 pick a lot.  ROY is the least memorable award in the NBA.  It would be nice for Tatum to win it, but it doesn't really matter.
The rookie of the year is supposed to reflect the rookie that had the best season.  Similar to the MVP in that regard.  And while role and team record comes into play, those awards are often statistical based awards.  Rookies with the best stats are often high draft picks on bad teams.  Just the nature of the beast.

So you’re telling me that the MVP often goes to players with great stats on bad teams? 

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #109 on: October 24, 2017, 11:38:42 AM »

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Simmons with a triple-double, Embiid with 30. And Fultz increases his tiny sample of suckiness to 4.
Simmons looks very good (although he needs to improve shooting to be a franchise star). Embiid is a franchise star if he says healthy. I am losing confidence in fultz every game. I'll keep beleiving he has a chance to be very good, but I like the trade more every day.

The ROY race is between Simmons and Ball. Nobody else will even come close to challenging those two. They will have all the playing time, opportunity, and media attention to put up the crazy stats, and they are also actually both [dang] good.

What about Tatum? Don't get how a guy putting up huge stats and starting in Boston is behind two potential lottery teams.

I love Tatum, and he will get playing time, but the Celtics play a very team oriented game, and he will not see the shot attempts or get the ball enough to compete with two guys who will be putting up triple-doubles throughout the season. The Celtics would need to challenge for the #1 seed in the East with Tatum playing a major role just for him to even be in consideration imo.
This is why winning ROY is a bit of a misnomer.  It is supposed to reflect the potential of the winner to be next superstar in the league, but in reality it is skewed by the fact that lottery teams are usually terrible and so they play their #1 pick a lot.  ROY is the least memorable award in the NBA.  It would be nice for Tatum to win it, but it doesn't really matter.
The rookie of the year is supposed to reflect the rookie that had the best season.  Similar to the MVP in that regard.  And while role and team record comes into play, those awards are often statistical based awards.  Rookies with the best stats are often high draft picks on bad teams.  Just the nature of the beast.

So you’re telling me that the MVP often goes to players with great stats on bad teams?
No he didn't say that.  He said stats is the key factor in both awards, but lotto rookies are often on bad teams.  This is same thing I said.

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #110 on: October 24, 2017, 11:48:31 AM »

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Simmons with a triple-double, Embiid with 30. And Fultz increases his tiny sample of suckiness to 4.
Simmons looks very good (although he needs to improve shooting to be a franchise star). Embiid is a franchise star if he says healthy. I am losing confidence in fultz every game. I'll keep beleiving he has a chance to be very good, but I like the trade more every day.

The ROY race is between Simmons and Ball. Nobody else will even come close to challenging those two. They will have all the playing time, opportunity, and media attention to put up the crazy stats, and they are also actually both [dang] good.

What about Tatum? Don't get how a guy putting up huge stats and starting in Boston is behind two potential lottery teams.

I love Tatum, and he will get playing time, but the Celtics play a very team oriented game, and he will not see the shot attempts or get the ball enough to compete with two guys who will be putting up triple-doubles throughout the season. The Celtics would need to challenge for the #1 seed in the East with Tatum playing a major role just for him to even be in consideration imo.
This is why winning ROY is a bit of a misnomer.  It is supposed to reflect the potential of the winner to be next superstar in the league, but in reality it is skewed by the fact that lottery teams are usually terrible and so they play their #1 pick a lot.  ROY is the least memorable award in the NBA.  It would be nice for Tatum to win it, but it doesn't really matter.
The rookie of the year is supposed to reflect the rookie that had the best season.  Similar to the MVP in that regard.  And while role and team record comes into play, those awards are often statistical based awards.  Rookies with the best stats are often high draft picks on bad teams.  Just the nature of the beast.

So you’re telling me that the MVP often goes to players with great stats on bad teams?
No he didn't say that.  He said stats is the key factor in both awards, but lotto rookies are often on bad teams.  This is same thing I said.

Okay — sounded to me like he was disagreeing with you.

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #111 on: October 24, 2017, 12:40:54 PM »

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Simmons with a triple-double, Embiid with 30. And Fultz increases his tiny sample of suckiness to 4.
Simmons looks very good (although he needs to improve shooting to be a franchise star). Embiid is a franchise star if he says healthy. I am losing confidence in fultz every game. I'll keep beleiving he has a chance to be very good, but I like the trade more every day.

The ROY race is between Simmons and Ball. Nobody else will even come close to challenging those two. They will have all the playing time, opportunity, and media attention to put up the crazy stats, and they are also actually both [dang] good.

What about Tatum? Don't get how a guy putting up huge stats and starting in Boston is behind two potential lottery teams.

I love Tatum, and he will get playing time, but the Celtics play a very team oriented game, and he will not see the shot attempts or get the ball enough to compete with two guys who will be putting up triple-doubles throughout the season. The Celtics would need to challenge for the #1 seed in the East with Tatum playing a major role just for him to even be in consideration imo.
This is why winning ROY is a bit of a misnomer.  It is supposed to reflect the potential of the winner to be next superstar in the league, but in reality it is skewed by the fact that lottery teams are usually terrible and so they play their #1 pick a lot.  ROY is the least memorable award in the NBA.  It would be nice for Tatum to win it, but it doesn't really matter.

Is there a written description somewhere of what the ROY is supposed to be?  I've never thought of it as going to the "best potential", but rather to the rookie having the best season.  Are you just making this up?

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« Reply #112 on: October 24, 2017, 01:04:25 PM »

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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
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So the Cavaliers are locked into a tight one with the Bulls....  ???

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #114 on: October 24, 2017, 10:13:35 PM »

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So the Pacers are beating the TWolves 124-103 at Minny. Domantas Sabonis went 7 for 7 tonight presumably against KAT.

Is that what happened?

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« Reply #115 on: October 24, 2017, 11:29:13 PM »

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So the Pacers are beating the TWolves 124-103 at Minny. Domantas Sabonis went 7 for 7 tonight presumably against KAT.

Is that what happened?

Good for the LA pick...
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« Reply #116 on: October 24, 2017, 11:29:49 PM »

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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #117 on: October 24, 2017, 11:32:55 PM »

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So the Pacers are beating the TWolves 124-103 at Minny. Domantas Sabonis went 7 for 7 tonight presumably against KAT.

Is that what happened?

Jimmy Butler didn't play.  The Pacers also went 10/22 from three.  And Darren Collison had like 32 assists.

I think teams care a lot more about developing their system and cohesion early on, especially with new pieces.  CLE seemed to do that all season last year, and LBJ was open about it.
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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #118 on: October 25, 2017, 04:36:08 AM »

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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #119 on: October 25, 2017, 07:09:37 AM »

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So the Pacers are beating the TWolves 124-103 at Minny. Domantas Sabonis went 7 for 7 tonight presumably against KAT.

Is that what happened?

Jimmy Butler didn't play.  The Pacers also went 10/22 from three.  And Darren Collison had like 32 assists.

I think teams care a lot more about developing their system and cohesion early on, especially with new pieces.  CLE seemed to do that all season last year, and LBJ was open about it.
Towns and Wiggins are still continuing their poor defensive play.  If they can't play average defense, I'd expect the TWolves to fall short of expectations again.