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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #435 on: October 18, 2017, 10:19:14 PM »

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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #436 on: October 18, 2017, 10:19:21 PM »

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Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

I think we both know how untrue this is, because a) the eggs are clearly not all in the Kyrie basket, and b) what's the alternative? Maxing out a 5'9" guy coming off a major injury? No thanks.

Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #437 on: October 18, 2017, 10:20:11 PM »

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The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....
Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.

Calling me a "loser" just highlights your ignorance....
Blaming forces outside your control for losses just means you're excusing your poor results with something you can't work on or fix. Certainly the attitude of winners, Belichick and company do it every week.
well i think we can ALL agree that no ref has ever decided the outcome of a game..

Yeah, they make no difference at all...

Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #438 on: October 18, 2017, 10:21:04 PM »

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Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #439 on: October 18, 2017, 10:21:58 PM »

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Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.


This type of "coaching" is infuriating.  >:( >:( >:(

TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.

Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.

How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?

Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.

We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.

Are we really going to do the "no criticism of Brad" thing again this year? You'd think he was Jesus incarnate from your posts harping on any who dares to *gasp* criticize the almighty Brad Stevens.

He can be both an excellent coach and still make mistakes. And, yeah, one of his main flaws is to not call timeouts in those situations, especially given his ATO play-calling abilities.

Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #440 on: October 18, 2017, 10:22:03 PM »

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Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #441 on: October 18, 2017, 10:23:02 PM »

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CB already in their gloom and doom form already ;D. Chillax. Last season, we also have a pretty rough start with 5-5 record in  the first 10 games.

We don't have a serviceable SF like Jae Crowder this year after Hayward went down. Kyrie so far playing lesser than IT4's level.

Celtics are in panic mode already.


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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #442 on: October 18, 2017, 10:23:25 PM »

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Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

I think we both know how untrue this is, because a) the eggs are clearly not all in the Kyrie basket, and b) what's the alternative? Maxing out a 5'9" guy coming off a major injury? No thanks.

Why does it have to be either? No one's forcing you to make one of two bad decisions.
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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #443 on: October 18, 2017, 10:24:02 PM »

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Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.
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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #444 on: October 18, 2017, 10:27:26 PM »

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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #445 on: October 18, 2017, 10:27:34 PM »

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Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.

oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish.  The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad.  We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'.  We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor.  that comes from the whole team not just one player.  KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team. 

if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you. 

Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #446 on: October 18, 2017, 10:29:06 PM »

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In the interest of positivity:

1. Tatum looks awesome. Really knows how to use his length in all aspects of the game.
2. Jaylen, wow. That's all I've got. He's totally shattered my expectations. Advancements he's made as a finisher and ball-handler are remarkable. He looks like a stud.
3. Terry can play. People make fun of Danny for his Terry obsession, but Terry can really play.
4. Nader looked half decent.
5. Think Theis can be useful against teams without a Monroe-type.
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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #447 on: October 18, 2017, 10:30:35 PM »

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CB already in their gloom and doom form already ;D. Chillax. Last season, we also have a pretty rough start with 5-5 record in  the first 10 games.

We don't have a serviceable SF like Jae Crowder this year after Hayward went down. Kyrie so far playing lesser than IT4's level.

Celtics  *FANS* are in panic mode already.
fixed that for you ;)
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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #448 on: October 18, 2017, 10:30:38 PM »

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Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...

They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.

Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.

He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.

You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.

How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.

How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket?  I don't understand that.  We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players.  everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders.  Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.

We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.

Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads.  Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too?  give me a break.  We have the team we have. 

Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.

It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.

The style of play is not all on KI.

His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.

oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish.  The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad.  We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'.  We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor.  that comes from the whole team not just one player.  KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team. 

if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.

Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
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Re: Bucks (0-0) at Celtics (0-1) Game #2 10/18/17
« Reply #449 on: October 18, 2017, 10:31:08 PM »

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In the interest of positivity:

1. Tatum looks awesome. Really knows how to use his length in all aspects of the game.
2. Jaylen, wow. That's all I've got. He's totally shattered my expectations. Advancements he's made as a finisher and ball-handler are remarkable. He looks like a stud.
3. Terry can play. People make fun of Danny for his Terry obsession, but Terry can really play.
4. Nader looked half decent.
5. Think Theis can be useful against teams without a Monroe-type.

i agree 100%... tp