not a three point shot made

[rollie mass]

A rookie of year, that can't hit  or take a three point shot  in preseason .0000000 on three attempts-that takes away so many options for Philly
Simmons then shoots 3.93% on free throws--and .490 from field

AND TATUM is in the mix to start against Cleveland.

There are three rookies  that have shooting woes from three point territory,one with no mid range and two that can't shoot foul shots.That's not even starting in on their defense
.Lonzo has got all his air time on a reality TV show and Fultz is nursing a sore shoulder 

[BlackCeltic]

He has holes in his game big time, but if he improves itd be scary.

[moiso]

He has holes in his game big time, but if he improves itd be scary.

It's amazing how bad his shooting is.  I mean, what's he been doing for the past 10 years?  He knew he was a basketball player.  But yeah, if he could become an average shooter, he's up there with the best players in the league.

[CelticsElite]

Simmons is vastly overrated just because he made a few flashy passes. He plays zero defense, passes almost every time (because his shot is ugly and bad), and has players like rozier defending him well at the low post. He isn't even the 3rd best player on the sixers and neither is fultz. Their best players look like embiid, covington, McConnell, and Amir Johnson

[gouki88]

He has holes in his game big time, but if he improves itd be scary.

It's amazing how bad his shooting is.  I mean, what's he been doing for the past 10 years?  He knew he was a basketball player.  But yeah, if he could become an average shooter, he's up there with the best players in the league.

And his dad was a pro in Australia, so you think he would've developed some jump-shot.

I'd be surprised if he did at this stage, although for no real reason in particular

[DooVoo]

If the whole point of this thread was to say Simmons can't shoot well yeah. Everyone knows that. He can impact the game in other ways cause there aren't many 6'10" ball handlers who can finish like him. But teams will dare him to shoot. His main problem is not that he is a poor shooter. He just can't shoot period. He is getting better as a defender. But there is no reason he shouldn't be an easy 19-7-5 guy a night even without a jumpshot and teams exploiting that. 

Their bigger problem is Fultz whose jumpshot is killing him. I don't think I have seen people sour on a #1 pick this quickly. Saric might have the worst vertical leap of everyone in the NBA. Teams can really exploit his lack of athleticism. He basically is a slightly better version of Kelly Olynyk.

The Sixers are a weird assembly of very talented but very flawed players. And with their best player injury prone. Not sure about this Process but I guess it beats being the Hornets.

[ChillyWilly]

If the whole point of this thread was to say Simmons can't shoot well yeah. Everyone knows that. He can impact the game in other ways cause there aren't many 6'10" ball handlers who can finish like him. But teams will dare him to shoot. His main problem is not that he is a poor shooter. He just can't shoot period. He is getting better as a defender. But there is no reason he shouldn't be an easy 19-7-5 guy a night even without a jumpshot and teams exploiting that. 

Their bigger problem is Fultz whose jumpshot is killing him. I don't think I have seen people sour on a #1 pick this quickly. Saric might have the worst vertical leap of everyone in the NBA. Teams can really exploit his lack of athleticism. He basically is a slightly better version of Kelly Olynyk.

The Sixers are a weird assembly of very talented but very flawed players. And with their best player injury prone. Not sure about this Process but I guess it beats being the Hornets.

I'm 100% with you on this. TP

[ChillyWilly]

Simmons is vastly overrated just because he made a few flashy passes. He plays zero defense, passes almost every time (because his shot is ugly and bad), and has players like rozier defending him well at the low post. He isn't even the 3rd best player on the sixers and neither is fultz. Their best players look like embiid, covington, McConnell, and Amir Johnson

I think he'll have more of an Evan Turner career than a Magic Johnson one that's for sure.

[Eddie20]

If the whole point of this thread was to say Simmons can't shoot well yeah. Everyone knows that. He can impact the game in other ways cause there aren't many 6'10" ball handlers who can finish like him. But teams will dare him to shoot. His main problem is not that he is a poor shooter. He just can't shoot period. He is getting better as a defender. But there is no reason he shouldn't be an easy 19-7-5 guy a night even without a jumpshot and teams exploiting that. 

Exactly. The whole premise of this thread is misleading, as if the OP, or anyone else, wouldn't want Simmons on the Celtics.

In just 22 MPG during the preseason, the 6'10" Simmons averaged 10.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.3 apg, and 1.7 spg, while shooting 47% from the field.

A recipe for success for the Sixers would be to run high PNR with Simmons and Embiid, while the latter is not injured, and flank them with shooters like Redick, Covington, and Bayless.

I do agree that Fultz is the one that they should be concerned about. I read a stat that he did not take a single perimeter shot over the 47 minutes he played during preseason games. Not just a 3pt attempt, no perimeter attempts period. His 24 shots taken were all on drives and he had a lot of open opportunities.

Check out the space Bayless is giving Fultz during a scrimmage. Bayless obviously is aware that Fultz can't shoot so basically gives him the Rondo free safety treatment.

[GratefulCs]

He has holes in his game big time, but if he improves itd be scary.

It's amazing how bad his shooting is.  I mean, what's he been doing for the past 10 years?  He knew he was a basketball player.  But yeah, if he could become an average shooter, he's up there with the best players in the league.

what has he been doing this past year since he's been out?

his shot looks just as bad as in college


he'll probably end up shooting better, but that's a little worrisome


meanwhile embiid continues to get better while he's been out

[tazzmaniac]

A rookie of year, that can't hit  or take a three point shot  in preseason .0000000 on three attempts-that takes away so many options for Philly
Simmons then shoots 3.93% on free throws--and .490 from field

AND TATUM is in the mix to start against Cleveland.

There are three rookies  that have shooting woes from three point territory,one with no mid range and two that can't shoot foul shots.That's not even starting in on their defense
.Lonzo has got all his air time on a reality TV show and Fultz is nursing a sore shoulder

                   Min     Pts    Reb    Ast    Stl    Blk    Tov     fg%     3p%    ft% 
Tatum         24.3    8.3    4.0     1.5    1.0   0.5    1.3    38.2     33.3    60.0
Simmons     22.8  11.4    6.2     5.4    1.4   0.8    2.0    49.0       0.0    40.9

Tatum's preseason numbers don't look like a ROY candidate.  He's got to shoot a lot more efficiently to be in the conversation. 

There are plenty of successful NBA players that are not good shooters.  Simmons 3pt outside shooting needs a lot of work but it shouldn't be a top priority this season.  The focus should be finishing at the rim, running the half court offense and defense.  His free throw shooting is more important at this point than his outside shooting.   Simmons floor is a 6'10" 240lb Rondo which is not bad at all. 

[Eddie20]

A rookie of year, that can't hit  or take a three point shot  in preseason .0000000 on three attempts-that takes away so many options for Philly
Simmons then shoots 3.93% on free throws--and .490 from field

AND TATUM is in the mix to start against Cleveland.

There are three rookies  that have shooting woes from three point territory,one with no mid range and two that can't shoot foul shots.That's not even starting in on their defense
.Lonzo has got all his air time on a reality TV show and Fultz is nursing a sore shoulder

                   Min     Pts    Reb    Ast    Stl    Blk    Tov     fg%     3p%    ft% 
Tatum         24.3    8.3    4.0     1.5    1.0   0.5    1.3    38.2     33.3    60.0
Simmons     22.8  11.4    6.2     5.4    1.4   0.8    2.0    49.0       0.0    40.9

Tatum's preseason numbers don't look like a ROY candidate.  He's got to shoot a lot more efficiently to be in the conversation. 

There are plenty of successful NBA players that are not good shooters.  Simmons 3pt outside shooting needs a lot of work but it shouldn't be a top priority this season.  The focus should be finishing at the rim, running the half court offense and defense.  His free throw shooting is more important at this point than his outside shooting.   Simmons floor is a 6'10" 240lb Rondo which is not bad at all.

However, Tatum is 2 full years younger than Simmons (19 to 21), so how is Tatum going to look at 21 when these early years are CRUCIAL for a young players development?

[Sketch5]

A rookie of year, that can't hit  or take a three point shot  in preseason .0000000 on three attempts-that takes away so many options for Philly
Simmons then shoots 3.93% on free throws--and .490 from field

AND TATUM is in the mix to start against Cleveland.

There are three rookies  that have shooting woes from three point territory,one with no mid range and two that can't shoot foul shots.That's not even starting in on their defense
.Lonzo has got all his air time on a reality TV show and Fultz is nursing a sore shoulder

                   Min     Pts    Reb    Ast    Stl    Blk    Tov     fg%     3p%    ft% 
Tatum         24.3    8.3    4.0     1.5    1.0   0.5    1.3    38.2     33.3    60.0
Simmons     22.8  11.4    6.2     5.4    1.4   0.8    2.0    49.0       0.0    40.9

Tatum's preseason numbers don't look like a ROY candidate.  He's got to shoot a lot more efficiently to be in the conversation. 

There are plenty of successful NBA players that are not good shooters.  Simmons 3pt outside shooting needs a lot of work but it shouldn't be a top priority this season.  The focus should be finishing at the rim, running the half court offense and defense.  His free throw shooting is more important at this point than his outside shooting.   Simmons floor is a 6'10" 240lb Rondo which is not bad at all.

Thats a hard comparison. Tatum is option 4 or 5 with the starting unit. Simmons has the ball in his hands more often. While Simmons may win the ROY, he may not be the better of the two long term, and thats all I care about. ROY is overrated.

Also Simmons doens't shoot poor from the 3pt line, it's none existent, and he will get exposed if he doesn't get to at least 25%.

It's funny how people call Smart a bust because he shot around 30% so far, but improved every wheres else and plays top notch D, but when you have  a guy that shoots worse, and can't play D, he just needs time....

[Dino Pitino]

If Tatum starts all season he is going to win ROY. Ahead of Simmons, Fultz, Teodosic, Smith.

[tazzmaniac]

A rookie of year, that can't hit  or take a three point shot  in preseason .0000000 on three attempts-that takes away so many options for Philly
Simmons then shoots 3.93% on free throws--and .490 from field

AND TATUM is in the mix to start against Cleveland.

There are three rookies  that have shooting woes from three point territory,one with no mid range and two that can't shoot foul shots.That's not even starting in on their defense
.Lonzo has got all his air time on a reality TV show and Fultz is nursing a sore shoulder

                   Min     Pts    Reb    Ast    Stl    Blk    Tov     fg%     3p%    ft% 
Tatum         24.3    8.3    4.0     1.5    1.0   0.5    1.3    38.2     33.3    60.0
Simmons     22.8  11.4    6.2     5.4    1.4   0.8    2.0    49.0       0.0    40.9

Tatum's preseason numbers don't look like a ROY candidate.  He's got to shoot a lot more efficiently to be in the conversation. 

There are plenty of successful NBA players that are not good shooters.  Simmons 3pt outside shooting needs a lot of work but it shouldn't be a top priority this season.  The focus should be finishing at the rim, running the half court offense and defense.  His free throw shooting is more important at this point than his outside shooting.   Simmons floor is a 6'10" 240lb Rondo which is not bad at all.

Thats a hard comparison. Tatum is option 4 or 5 with the starting unit. Simmons has the ball in his hands more often. While Simmons may win the ROY, he may not be the better of the two long term, and thats all I care about. ROY is overrated.

Also Simmons doens't shoot poor from the 3pt line, it's none existent, and he will get exposed if he doesn't get to at least 25%.

It's funny how people call Smart a bust because he shot around 30% so far, but improved every wheres else and plays top notch D, but when you have  a guy that shoots worse, and can't play D, he just needs time....

The OP referred to ROY.  I agree ROY doesn't matter much.  The time to judge rookies is at the end of their rookie contracts. 

Everybody knows Simmons shooting needs a lot of work.  It is his other skills that give him superstar potential.  Tatum on the other hand has to be good offensively.  If Tatum is not an efficient shooter as a 4th or 5th option that is going to be a much bigger issue for him. 

Smart is going into his 4th season.  He's not a bust.  He's a reasonably good role player.  Maybe his weight loss and being in better shape will lead to some improvement.   However his potential is a lot less than Simmons or Tatum.   Ainge apparently hasn't even made an extension offer to Smart which says a lot.