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Re: Thomas " I may never speak to Danny Again"
« Reply #90 on: October 12, 2017, 08:32:21 AM »

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Im still not convinced even with IT fully heathy Danny doesn't blink and do the trade anyway . I would have .  If Im paying somebody , im going with the upgrade .   IT very well may have had to,have chose to leave on his own to get the big pay day from another team. ,like AB  .   Im not sure Danny was going to offer enough to for IT to stay .  DA not hesitating to trade and offer big assets kinda points to DA s real thoughts on retaining Thomas in any scenario .   A trade might have been waiting in IT s future no matter what.

He might have, but I think it would have been a mistake.  Under those circumstances, I think upgrading via another star is the way to go.

I still wish we could have done the Paul George trade.  We'd be looking at a core of:

Horford
Tatum
Hayward
George / Brown
IT

Plus we'd have both the BRK and LAL picks.  I think that's the team that could have brought down Golden State in a year or two.
what was the trade proposal that would have landed us Paul George where we still had all of Tatum, Brown, Brooklyn and Laker picks?   I don't recall seeing a deal where at least one of them wasn't included as a piece.  (not that I would give up any of them in a 1-year rental)

Re: Thomas " I may never speak to Danny Again"
« Reply #91 on: October 12, 2017, 08:41:20 AM »

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Maybe Thomas shouldn't have been so vocal about wanting a max and having the brinks truck show up.  Pretty good way to drive yourself out of town

Danny will trade anybody, regardless of whether they're vocal or quiet, a team leader or a cancer, a veteran or a rookie.  Avery Bradley never talked about his contract, and he was traded without any hesitation.
Sure, but Thomas made it a lot easier by making it known he only wanted a max contract and expected to be paid or he would walk.

I don't recall the "or he would walk" part, although maybe that was implied.  I just think IT's statements were completely irrelevant, except perhaps as PR.
I agree with this. IT just made back-to-back all star games and was top 5 in MVP voting. Regardless of what he said publicly about his contract, any reasonable person would have to think he wanted max money. Why wouldn't he?
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Re: Thomas " I may never speak to Danny Again"
« Reply #92 on: October 12, 2017, 09:47:55 AM »

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Im still not convinced even with IT fully heathy Danny doesn't blink and do the trade anyway . I would have .  If Im paying somebody , im going with the upgrade .   IT very well may have had to,have chose to leave on his own to get the big pay day from another team. ,like AB  .   Im not sure Danny was going to offer enough to for IT to stay .  DA not hesitating to trade and offer big assets kinda points to DA s real thoughts on retaining Thomas in any scenario .   A trade might have been waiting in IT s future no matter what.

He might have, but I think it would have been a mistake.  Under those circumstances, I think upgrading via another star is the way to go.

I still wish we could have done the Paul George trade.  We'd be looking at a core of:

Horford
Tatum
Hayward
George / Brown
IT

Plus we'd have both the BRK and LAL picks.  I think that's the team that could have brought down Golden State in a year or two.
what was the trade proposal that would have landed us Paul George where we still had all of Tatum, Brown, Brooklyn and Laker picks?   I don't recall seeing a deal where at least one of them wasn't included as a piece.  (not that I would give up any of them in a 1-year rental)

The rumor was Smart + Crowder + multiple non-BRK/LAL picks going to Indy. Danny wouldn't give a firm commitment until we acquired Hayward however. We probably would have had to send out AB to a third team for salary matching purposes.


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Re: Thomas " I may never speak to Danny Again"
« Reply #93 on: October 12, 2017, 10:13:14 AM »

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Im still not convinced even with IT fully heathy Danny doesn't blink and do the trade anyway . I would have .  If Im paying somebody , im going with the upgrade .   IT very well may have had to,have chose to leave on his own to get the big pay day from another team. ,like AB  .   Im not sure Danny was going to offer enough to for IT to stay .  DA not hesitating to trade and offer big assets kinda points to DA s real thoughts on retaining Thomas in any scenario .   A trade might have been waiting in IT s future no matter what.

I'm firmly convinced Danny was never going to pay IT, because I was convinced of that before they moved him (though I did think Fultz was gonna be our escape hatch). Tying up at minimum $25-30 million per year in an undersized, high contact PG reliant on athleticism as he heads into his 30s is just not a Danny move. The hip injury pretty much sealed the deal, then Kyrie's availability made for the obvious out.


As for IT being bitter, I don't blame him one bit - I'd be suspicious if he wasn't p---ed, at least privately. He gave us everything, loved the city and team, sacrificed his body and played through incredible loss, and expected us to pay him like a star. He has every right to be upset, but Danny still has every obligation to make the moves he thinks are best for the team.

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« Reply #94 on: October 12, 2017, 11:00:17 AM »

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Re: Thomas " I may never speak to Danny Again"
« Reply #95 on: October 12, 2017, 11:55:04 AM »

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When we talk about loyalty in sports, about dudes getting it back from the team they gave it all for, we're talking about a very short list. Dirk, Reggie Miller, Kobe, Pierce... and obviously several others from earlier... those guys can rightfully say, "Alright, I gave my all. Now I deserve one last rodeo, a fat contract, or a trade to a contender," ... as the case may be. It's also why I kinda get D-Wade for telling Miami, "Hey, you balked at paying me - Eff you, I'm out."

Isaiah is NOT a part of that list. I'm sorry. In the NBA, you need to A. Bring home a ring or B. Spend your entire career or [dang] near it for the team to consider putting you ahead of it's future.

Ainge, for what it's worth, long complained that Red should've traded Larry/McHale/Parish when they still had value. He backed up that statement when he traded Pierce and KG.

There was NEVER a CHANCE Danny was going to give IT a max offer - or even a contract offer that lasted more than a couple years. IT was great for one year, very good for another, and did a superb job for what he's dealt with. But we can't all be the greatest.
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Re: Thomas " I may never speak to Danny Again"
« Reply #96 on: October 12, 2017, 12:17:25 PM »

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This gets me: 5th in MVP voting is not an accolade. It just means the league office put him on the ballot, and that he then garnered the fewest MVP votes of the 5 candidates. Since he's the only star on a winning and fairly large market team (top 5?), no surprise.

On IT, he might not even be in the league in 5 years, maybe less.

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« Reply #97 on: October 12, 2017, 12:33:38 PM »

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This gets me: 5th in MVP voting is not an accolade. It just means the league office put him on the ballot, and that he then garnered the fewest MVP votes of the 5 candidates. Since he's the only star on a winning and fairly large market team (top 5?), no surprise.

That's...not how MVP voting works.

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« Reply #98 on: October 12, 2017, 12:56:38 PM »

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I'm obviously in IT's corner here.  The trade probably makes us better long-term, but doesn't change that fact.  Imo, this comment reflects the chip on IT's shoulder that has made him a great player.  Wish the very best for him, hope to see him play in the Finals

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« Reply #99 on: October 12, 2017, 01:04:21 PM »

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Did he write about that part where Danny took him as an unwanted 3rd child from the Suns and put him in the position to be the 1st violin in the orchestra, after which he became an Allstar and an all NBA performer?

When Danny traded for Isaiah, he was forced to come off the bench.   Thomas earned 1st violin by playing better than any of the other violinists.
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« Reply #100 on: October 12, 2017, 01:48:43 PM »

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This gets me: 5th in MVP voting is not an accolade. It just means the league office put him on the ballot, and that he then garnered the fewest MVP votes of the 5 candidates. Since he's the only star on a winning and fairly large market team (top 5?), no surprise.

That's...not how MVP voting works.

Well I sit corrected.

The point is valid, however. Yes, 5th, but a very, very distant 5th. To say he was 5th in voting suggests he's on the level of legit candidates to win the thing, which turns out wasn't the case. Zero first or second place votes, meaning nobody (out of just over 100) thought he was MVP, or runner up, and a mere handful of 3rd place votes. It's not like he was edged out in a close contest. Less than half of the voters gave him any votes at all.  He just isn't in the MVP league.

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« Reply #101 on: October 12, 2017, 02:20:10 PM »

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Thomas went to play with the Team that went to the finals last year and LeBron James and he's complaining. Look where some players end up when they get traded. Danny traded him to a very favorable situation and if LeBron leaves next year The Cavs will back up Thomas' Brinks' truck for him. If LeBron stays they will probably back up the truck as well. Thomas has a better chance at a max contract now and a very good chance at the NBA finals in a contract year. I know Isaiah feels burnt but he's in a very good situation and Danny traded him into that.

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« Reply #102 on: October 12, 2017, 02:42:39 PM »

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I would have liked to see IT leave out the Ainge comments but I have no issues with the majority of what he said.  I can also empathize with his general feelings toward Ainge.  To be honest I am grateful that he actually cares this much about his time in Boston.  He was truly invested in the city well beyond the basketball court.  Danny made the right move but I will always cherish the few years we had with IT.

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« Reply #103 on: October 12, 2017, 03:22:09 PM »

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Thomas went to play with the Team that went to the finals last year and LeBron James and he's complaining. Look where some players end up when they get traded. Danny traded him to a very favorable situation and if LeBron leaves next year The Cavs will back up Thomas' Brinks' truck for him. If LeBron stays they will probably back up the truck as well. Thomas has a better chance at a max contract now and a very good chance at the NBA finals in a contract year. I know Isaiah feels burnt but he's in a very good situation and Danny traded him into that.

Maybe because to these players it's about more than that?   Kyrie just played on a team that went to the Finals with Lebron James and wanted out.   Kyrie apparently has placed his desire to lead a team to the Finals above just getting there.  Maybe Thomas felt the same way, thought he had that path in front of him, and then saw it snatched away?

It's clear from his comments that Thomas recognizes the competitive advantages he'll get from being on Lebron's team.   That doesn't mean he shouldn't be upset about the sudden change in his life.   These guys are humans, not robots.   He'd established a lot of connections to Boston.  Got married and set up a home for his family.   Suddenly, on short notice, he had to move his family.   If you were suddenly traded to some other company a few states away, despite whatever benefits you might accrue from that, you might find that to be a little upsetting in some respects.
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« Reply #104 on: October 12, 2017, 04:20:01 PM »

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This gets me: 5th in MVP voting is not an accolade. It just means the league office put him on the ballot, and that he then garnered the fewest MVP votes of the 5 candidates. Since he's the only star on a winning and fairly large market team (top 5?), no surprise.

That's...not how MVP voting works.

Well I sit corrected.

The point is valid, however. Yes, 5th, but a very, very distant 5th. To say he was 5th in voting suggests he's on the level of legit candidates to win the thing, which turns out wasn't the case. Zero first or second place votes, meaning nobody (out of just over 100) thought he was MVP, or runner up, and a mere handful of 3rd place votes. It's not like he was edged out in a close contest. Less than half of the voters gave him any votes at all.  He just isn't in the MVP league.

TP - hope it didn't come off too snarky.

And I agree, he had a great year but was far behind the leaders. Of course, 5th place usually is. I've always loved the "he's a Top-X MVP candidate/player/scorer/whatever" framing where X is the place he's actually in. IT was technically a top 5 MVP votegetter, but more accurately was 5th place.