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do you prefer NBA keeping it the way it is or changing the playoffs

Keep it the way it is
33 (76.7%)
Scrap east/west conferences and go with 1-16 playoffs
10 (23.3%)

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Re: NBA considering scrapping East/West conferences and going to 1-16 playoffs
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2017, 02:34:42 PM »

Offline Birdman

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Here's last season wins total:

1. Golden State-67
2. San Antonio-61
3. Houston-55
4. Boston-53
5. Cleveland-51
6. L A Clippers-51
7. Toronto-51
8. Utah-51
9. Washington-49
10. OKC-47
11. Atlanta-43
12. Memphis-43
13. Indiana-42
14. Milwaukee-42
15. Chicago-41
16. Miami-41
17. Portland-41

9 east vs 8 west..so still b same
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

Re: NBA considering scrapping East/West conferences and going to 1-16 playoffs
« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2017, 03:19:34 PM »

Offline celticsclay

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Here's last season wins total:

1. Golden State-67
2. San Antonio-61
3. Houston-55
4. Boston-53
5. Cleveland-51
6. L A Clippers-51
7. Toronto-51
8. Utah-51
9. Washington-49
10. OKC-47
11. Atlanta-43
12. Memphis-43
13. Indiana-42
14. Milwaukee-42
15. Chicago-41
16. Miami-41
17. Portland-41

9 east vs 8 west..so still b same

It would not be the same. The schedules are not balanced. You don't think Portland wins more than 41 playing in the east?

Re: NBA considering scrapping East/West conferences and going to 1-16 playoffs
« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2017, 03:21:20 PM »

Offline celticsclay

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I 100% agree. This really shows how easy it has been for the top 1 or 2 teams in the east the last 5 years (and throws a little cold water on lebron making the finals each year because of weak competition). Let's fix this yesterday

It's possible that Cleveland was possibly a Kyrie Irving injury away (2015 Finals) from winning three titles in a row. Golden State may not have the same draw to Kevin Durant if they had lost two years in a row to Cleveland. Maybe Durant would have chosen Boston or another team instead.

Regardless of the what-if scenario above, Cleveland has still been the first or second best team in the NBA, for the past 3 seasons. There is no way Cleveland would have lost to San Antonio (who have been limping and showing their age during the playoffs), Houston (who have a choking ball hog), LA Clippers (who are lucky to even make it to the second round), or Oklahoma City (who struggled with elite competition). As for the other west teams to make the playoffs over the past 3 years, I don't think their even worth mentioning. BTW, for the past two seasons, the 8th seed in the east has either had the same record or better than the 8th seed in the west.


The thing is, all we can do is speculate as to whether Cleveland would have made the Finals every year if they had faced a high quality opponent before the Finals, because they never did.

When you compare the playoff teams in each conference, you really need to look at their point differential and take into account their strength of schedule.

In many years, it's much harder to get to. 500 in the West than it is in the East.
to be fair the Cavs have played on the ECF by SRS rank 4, 6, and 8.  The Warriors played 7, 3, 2 over the same period. The Cavs actually played a better team by SRS in the semis last year (yes Toronto was better than Boston). Clearly the West has been better but it isn't like the Cavs played a bunch of scrubs


You're right that the Cavs faced some decent teams, but I think it's also reasonable to assume those teams would have been on the lower half of the playoff picture if they'd been in the Western Conference.

While some of those teams out West had flaws, too, any of them would have posed a bigger challenge to the Cavs than teams like the Raps, Wiz, Hawks, etc.

I mean, I think we all agree that in the playoffs who your best player is matters more, and just look at the players LeBron never had to get past in the last 5 years in order to make the Finals:

Kawhi, Westbrook/Durant, Paul, Harden, Conley/Gasol etc.


Now, perhaps LeBron would have beaten them anyway.  That's certainly a possibility.  But we never got to find out, because instead of squaring off with strong opponents like that, he was able to bulldoze teams led by Kyle Lowry, Al Horford, and young Paul George.


LeBron is an All-Time Great and that is why his team has made the Finals year after year.  I would never argue otherwise.  But I think the playoffs would be a heck of a lot more interesting if there was a possibility he might be seriously challenged before making the Finals even when the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th best teams in the league are all in the opposite conference.

Yea nobody is saying Cleveland isn't great big mo. There is just a chance some of the stronger teams in the west would have knocked them out in a given
Year.

Re: NBA considering scrapping East/West conferences and going to 1-16 playoffs
« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2017, 04:49:58 PM »

Offline johnnygreen

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Here's last season wins total:

1. Golden State-67
2. San Antonio-61
3. Houston-55
4. Boston-53
5. Cleveland-51
6. L A Clippers-51
7. Toronto-51
8. Utah-51
9. Washington-49
10. OKC-47
11. Atlanta-43
12. Memphis-43
13. Indiana-42
14. Milwaukee-42
15. Chicago-41
16. Miami-41
17. Portland-41

9 east vs 8 west..so still b same

It would not be the same. The schedules are not balanced. You don't think Portland wins more than 41 playing in the east?

Portland (in 2016-17) and Houston (in 2015-16) were both 8th seeds and finished 28-24 against Western conference teams, while being only 13-17 against the East.

Re: NBA considering scrapping East/West conferences and going to 1-16 playoffs
« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2017, 05:17:46 PM »

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Homogenizing the league on everything is not a good idea.  Variation, and the freedom to be different, are what the NBA needs more of.  In fact I hope they make some rule changes that strengthen post play so that every big man isn't working exclusively on his 3 pointer to be just like the Warriors. 

It's a (relatively) free market, and if the path to the finals is easier in one conference then stars should gravitate towards that.  At the end of the day, the best team in the league almost always wins anyway, so it's not like the lower seeded teams are getting screwed here.