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Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2017, 12:46:50 PM »

Offline trickybilly

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Win some lose some.

Yuh, TP, this should be the final word on any conversation "shoulda taken x guy".

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Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2017, 01:40:17 PM »

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The way these extensions are going it's looking more sensible to wait with Smart. A lot of teams look like they will have capped themselves out of the market by summer!

Indeed. That's the way to look at it.

It's incredible how stupid these GM's are.

Denver looks like it's so scared to loose its players that it will automatically grant any salary wishes a player/agent demands. Plumlee signed for about 14 million a year was a clear overpay, but they did it anyway because they were afraid to look foolish if he signed elsewhere after trading for him with the Nurkic-deal.

Now Harris was to become a restricted free agent, so Denver had control over him, but they probably wanted to please him and get rid of the uncertainty of free agency and so they just gave him exactly what he wanted. This contract may turn out to be reasonable if Harris makes the next step, but obviously if they had waited till next year it would have been likely that they could have signed him for less.

It's a shame actually because Denver is a talented and fun team, but now all there progress has to come from developing their own players since they have no room for big trades or free agent signings. They might lose an important player because of salary considerations in the future.

We should be so grateful that Ainge does not work that way and always sees the big picture and puts the interest of the franchise at number one. He won't commit to Smart when his demands become unreasonable. So we can be assured that Smart won't be given an 80 million contract.

Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2017, 06:08:52 PM »

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Denver Nuggets guard Gary Harris has reached agreement on a four-year, $84 million contract extension, league sources told ESPN.

Harrisí $74 million guaranteed changes it to $18.5 million per year. My understanding is the incentives to get it to $84 are STEEP.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/917051135164157952


Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2017, 07:14:40 PM »

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We could have drafted him but we took james young

If it came down to paying this much we would probably have let him walk, so right now it's probably a moot point anyway.

Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2017, 07:19:09 PM »

Offline ChillyWilly

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Hardaway Jr suddenly looks like a bargain. Hardaway Jr puts up the same numbers but his contract is $13 mill  less

Really? Harris shot 50% from the field and 42% from 3's. Plus, he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. On yeah, and he just turned 23 a couple of weeks ago.

TP.

He does 2 things very well that the NBA is trending towards. Efficiency and perimeter defense. Big contract but good gamble.

Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2017, 08:42:46 PM »

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 Let's slow down a bit. Harris put up 15 ppg last year at 22 years old he also shot .420% from three on 4.5 apg. That's Avery Bradley type production but five years younger.

 Let's see if smart can really approach 15 ppg with respectable shooting numbers first. He's looking better no doubt, but still a career .358% From the field and .291% from three for his career.

Exactly. Harris has improved every single year and that improvement has looked to continue this yesr, as he's been running the offense. To me he's a better version of Bradley. He's a much better ball handler, is a better shooter, probably a pinch more athletic, 5 years younger, and has better height (6'4). Bradleys a better perimeter defender, but not by that much.

The problem here is that many haven't seen Harris play much, if at all.

Okay, letís not get carried away here.  Harris is not a good defender.  Heís arguably not even an okay defender.  He doesnít rebound defensively at all. (Heís got the same career DRB% as IT, and was less than half AB last year). His steals and blocks numbers are pedestrian.  His advanced ratings range from okay (defensive win shares) to awful (84th of 91 shooting guards in DRPM).  Players shot 43 percent from 3 against him and 55.6 percent from 2 (6.7 and 6.3 percent better than they shot overall for the year).  And, whereas Bradley doesnít always come out looking great by some numbers, heís consistently mentioned by his peers as someone they hate being guarded by, has been voted all-defense in the past and had the highest vote total for someone who wasnít voted in last year, and is almost always asked to guard a teamís best perimeter player when heís on the court.  Harris has no such reputation at this point in his career (Bradley already had it entering his 4th year), nor no such responsibility.

Harris had a good defensive reputation coming out of college.  It has not translated at all in the pros, aside from having measurables that indicate he should be a good defender. Heís a very good shooter.  Heís downright deadly from the corner 3 at 56%.  Heís improving as a passer.  His contract is probably reasonable given his age and the steps forward heís made offensively to this point in his career, and it wasnít too difficult to see someone offering him the same deal Otto Porter got.  But in no way is he a good defender, and heís probably not even an okay one.  Some here may underrate Harris, but you are overrating him.

Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2017, 09:03:54 PM »

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 Let's slow down a bit. Harris put up 15 ppg last year at 22 years old he also shot .420% from three on 4.5 apg. That's Avery Bradley type production but five years younger.

 Let's see if smart can really approach 15 ppg with respectable shooting numbers first. He's looking better no doubt, but still a career .358% From the field and .291% from three for his career.

Exactly. Harris has improved every single year and that improvement has looked to continue this yesr, as he's been running the offense. To me he's a better version of Bradley. He's a much better ball handler, is a better shooter, probably a pinch more athletic, 5 years younger, and has better height (6'4). Bradleys a better perimeter defender, but not by that much.

The problem here is that many haven't seen Harris play much, if at all.

Okay, letís not get carried away here.  Harris is not a good defender.  Heís arguably not even an okay defender.  He doesnít rebound defensively at all. (Heís got the same career DRB% as IT, and was less than half AB last year). His steals and blocks numbers are pedestrian.  His advanced ratings range from okay (defensive win shares) to awful (84th of 91 shooting guards in DRPM).  Players shot 43 percent from 3 against him and 55.6 percent from 2 (6.7 and 6.3 percent better than they shot overall for the year).  And, whereas Bradley doesnít always come out looking great by some numbers, heís consistently mentioned by his peers as someone they hate being guarded by, has been voted all-defense in the past and had the highest vote total for someone who wasnít voted in last year, and is almost always asked to guard a teamís best perimeter player when heís on the court.  Harris has no such reputation at this point in his career (Bradley already had it entering his 4th year), nor no such responsibility.

Harris had a good defensive reputation coming out of college.  It has not translated at all in the pros, aside from having measurables that indicate he should be a good defender. Heís a very good shooter.  Heís downright deadly from the corner 3 at 56%.  Heís improving as a passer.  His contract is probably reasonable given his age and the steps forward heís made offensively to this point in his career, and it wasnít too difficult to see someone offering him the same deal Otto Porter got.  But in no way is he a good defender, and heís probably not even an okay one.  Some here may underrate Harris, but you are overrating him.

I totally agree with you saltlover!!  He had the 84th ranked defensive RPM out of 92 SG's in the entire NBA last year!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/2

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Re: Gary Harris 4 years 84 million
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2017, 09:34:58 PM »

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I totally agree with you saltlover!!  He had the 84th ranked defensive RPM out of 92 SG's in the entire NBA last year!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/DRPM/position/2

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