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Re: Jayson Tatum's defence is reaaallly going to need some work
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2017, 11:15:01 PM »

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Is there a post in this thread that isn't pure speculation?

Re: Jayson Tatum's defence is reaaallly going to need some work
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2017, 11:20:37 PM »

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I wouldn't be too concerned. He needs lower body strength and a more aggressive attitude, needs to get up into his man and make him work. I thought he had some focus breakdowns in SL. All of these issues are overcome by work and coaching - and hard work and being coachable are two of his big strengths.

He has average length for an NBA 4, to answer a misconception in this thread.

He's got a great body, excellent balance, and as regards defense, extends quick through the torso to get his arms up or out - he uses his length.

Depends on how bad he wants it.

Re: Jayson Tatum's defence is reaaallly going to need some work
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2017, 11:26:00 PM »

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Is there a post in this thread that isn't pure speculation?

No there is not...

Re: Jayson Tatum's defence is reaaallly going to need some work
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2017, 11:40:59 PM »

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Is there a post in this thread that isn't pure speculation?

Nope. Welcome to Celticsblog where threads and snap judgements are made about players based on a few seconds of meaningless youtube clips. It is probably why a lot of people left here.

Re: Jayson Tatum's defence is reaaallly going to need some work
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2017, 11:55:04 PM »

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He seems FINE to me!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4d-ICTOqBo

What really stands out to me is his REACH!!!!  Really long arms that more than make up for average lateral speed.

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Tatum is reported to have a 6'11" wingspan which is rather average for an NBA player of his height.

Tatum has a 6'11" wingspan and 8'10" standing reach - they are not average numbers for a player of his height by any means. 

Those numbers are about on par with guys like Paul George, Lebron James, Jaylen Brown, etc.

For comparison purposes:

* Jae Crowder:
Height: 6'6"
Wingspan: 6'9"
Standing reach: 8'3"

* Paul George:
Height: 6'9"
Wingspan: 6'11"
Standing reach: 8'11"

* Jimmy Butler:
Height: 6'8"
Wingspan: 6'7"
Standing reach: 8'5"

* Lebron James:
Height: 6'8"
Wingspan: 7'0"
Standing reach: 8'10"

* Jaylen Brown:
Height: 6'7"
Wingspan: 7'0"
Standing reach: 8'6"

* Gordon Hayward:
Height: 6'8"
Wingspan: 6'8"
Standing reach: 8'7"

* Joe Johnson:
Height: 6'8"
Wingspan: 6'9"
Standing reach: 8'9"

* Demar Derozan:
Height: 6'6"
Wingspan: 6'9"
Standing reach: Not 8'6"

* Al Horford:
Height: 6'10"
Wingspan: 7'0"
Standing reach: 8'11"

With the exception of a couple of outright freaks out there (Kawhi, Rudy Gay), Jayson Tatum has exceptional length for a player of his size.  Looking at his length compared to Al Horford you can see he easily has the length to defend NBA PF's and even smaller C's - it's just a matter of adding muscle/mass.  I wouldn't go so far as to say he has ELITE length at his size (as that would be RudyGay / Kawhi) but definitely excellent length.

Re: Jayson Tatum's defence is reaaallly going to need some work
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2017, 12:00:16 AM »

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I don't Understand how people put down tatum. His wingspan isn't average. Almost everything about Tatum isn't average. He's been an elite above average top 3 prospect since early high school for many reasons, one being his physical attributes

Re: Jayson Tatum's defence is reaaallly going to need some work
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2017, 01:07:21 AM »

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Few clips from a previous 1 v 1 workout, he looks very flat footed and slow.

https://youtu.be/oGB1V0iesDs?t=2m13s

If this truly was the case, how did he play D1 basketball at a pretty high level.  Real slow and flat footed usually do not play SF at the D1 level, they can play PF and C but at SF your playing some of the best athletes in the game.

But that's just it - he didn't play as a small forward.  Instead, and much like Jabari Parker, he played at the 4, which made him look considerably quicker against his matchups until you realize that he was doing most of his damage against much slower, and more traditional, power forwards, again, much like Parker, which is why I looked at him as the classic Duke tweener, only for him to, thankfully, look much better, laterally, during the summer league.  Hopefully that will be the case in the NBA, as well.

While he dose need work on that end(not many rookies don't), Stevens said he was really impressed how much better he had gotten at D during the summer league.

Which means, he knows it's a weakness, and he's working on it, and he's getting results. Brown had an edge last season were he could play really solid to great D, but his offense was lacking in the beginning.

Tatum might have solid to good offense, but lacking on the defensive end. But coming off the bench, he should get playing time unless he really stinks it up. They'll need some scoring off the bench and as long as he can play solid D and stay with in schemes, he should be fine.

Wait a minute, I thought that everything was earned and nothing was given on this team ;).

Re: Jayson Tatum's defence is reaaallly going to need some work
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2017, 01:58:12 AM »

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Few clips from a previous 1 v 1 workout, he looks very flat footed and slow.

https://youtu.be/oGB1V0iesDs?t=2m13s

If this truly was the case, how did he play D1 basketball at a pretty high level.  Real slow and flat footed usually do not play SF at the D1 level, they can play PF and C but at SF your playing some of the best athletes in the game.

But that's just it - he didn't play as a small forward.  Instead, and much like Jabari Parker, he played at the 4, which made him look considerably quicker against his matchups until you realize that he was doing most of his damage against much slower, and more traditional, power forwards, again, much like Parker, which is why I looked at him as the classic Duke tweener, only for him to, thankfully, look much better, laterally, during the summer league.  Hopefully that will be the case in the NBA, as well.

While he dose need work on that end(not many rookies don't), Stevens said he was really impressed how much better he had gotten at D during the summer league.

Which means, he knows it's a weakness, and he's working on it, and he's getting results. Brown had an edge last season were he could play really solid to great D, but his offense was lacking in the beginning.

Tatum might have solid to good offense, but lacking on the defensive end. But coming off the bench, he should get playing time unless he really stinks it up. They'll need some scoring off the bench and as long as he can play solid D and stay with in schemes, he should be fine.

Wait a minute, I thought that everything was earned and nothing was given on this team ;).

And you think if he plays he didnt earn it? Poster just said Tatum was working on it. Classic Beat LA  ::)

Re: Jayson Tatum's defence is reaaallly going to need some work
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2017, 02:42:43 AM »

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Few clips from a previous 1 v 1 workout, he looks very flat footed and slow.

https://youtu.be/oGB1V0iesDs?t=2m13s

If this truly was the case, how did he play D1 basketball at a pretty high level.  Real slow and flat footed usually do not play SF at the D1 level, they can play PF and C but at SF your playing some of the best athletes in the game.

But that's just it - he didn't play as a small forward.  Instead, and much like Jabari Parker, he played at the 4, which made him look considerably quicker against his matchups until you realize that he was doing most of his damage against much slower, and more traditional, power forwards, again, much like Parker, which is why I looked at him as the classic Duke tweener, only for him to, thankfully, look much better, laterally, during the summer league.  Hopefully that will be the case in the NBA, as well.

While he dose need work on that end(not many rookies don't), Stevens said he was really impressed how much better he had gotten at D during the summer league.

Which means, he knows it's a weakness, and he's working on it, and he's getting results. Brown had an edge last season were he could play really solid to great D, but his offense was lacking in the beginning.

Tatum might have solid to good offense, but lacking on the defensive end. But coming off the bench, he should get playing time unless he really stinks it up. They'll need some scoring off the bench and as long as he can play solid D and stay with in schemes, he should be fine.

Wait a minute, I thought that everything was earned and nothing was given on this team ;).

And you think if he plays he didnt earn it? Poster just said Tatum was working on it. Classic Beat LA  ::)

I would certainly hope so, but just because a guy is working on something like defense, etc., doesn't automatically mean that he's ready for prime time right at the start.  Case in point, Jaylen Brown has a great work ethic and spent time improving his defense, etc., iirc, over the summer before last season and his defense early on wasn't anywhere near ready, but Stevens kept throwing him out there, which is fine, imo, as long as that same learning curve is extended to everyone on the team regardless of draft position.  Otherwise you're just playing favorites :-\
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