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Marcus trial
« on: September 20, 2017, 07:44:39 AM »

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From what i read e mails prove Hood looking for  a payout, changed his story to police as to marcief being involved with beating only in vicinity
 Couldn't remember where Marcus was standing
Two parties have plead quilty and claim they acted alone-it seems the defense has muddied the water enough for reasonable doubt .Even if witnesses have a different version  the defense will
show how unreliable witness versions can be.
This looks like at worst a hung jury-


Re: Marcus trial
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2017, 08:49:50 AM »

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From what i read e mails prove Hood looking for  a payout, changed his story to police as to marcief being involved with beating only in vicinity
 Couldn't remember where Marcus was standing
Two parties have plead quilty and claim they acted alone-it seems the defense has muddied the water enough for reasonable doubt .Even if witnesses have a different version  the defense will
show how unreliable witness versions can be.
This looks like at worst a hung jury-
Sigh. And as an aside, how many years should such lawyers get for their decisions and actions?  :P
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Re: Marcus trial
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2017, 09:45:16 AM »

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From what i read e mails prove Hood looking for  a payout, changed his story to police as to marcief being involved with beating only in vicinity
 Couldn't remember where Marcus was standing
Two parties have plead quilty and claim they acted alone-it seems the defense has muddied the water enough for reasonable doubt .Even if witnesses have a different version  the defense will
show how unreliable witness versions can be.
This looks like at worst a hung jury-
Sigh. And as an aside, how many years should such lawyers get for their decisions and actions?  :P

Isn't this a criminal trial?  Why does everyone keep talking about money?  This is the state of Arizona prosecuting the Morris twins.

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2017, 10:01:52 AM »

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From what i read e mails prove Hood looking for  a payout, changed his story to police as to marcief being involved with beating only in vicinity
 Couldn't remember where Marcus was standing
Two parties have plead quilty and claim they acted alone-it seems the defense has muddied the water enough for reasonable doubt .Even if witnesses have a different version  the defense will
show how unreliable witness versions can be.
This looks like at worst a hung jury-
Sigh. And as an aside, how many years should such lawyers get for their decisions and actions?  :P

Isn't this a criminal trial?  Why does everyone keep talking about money?  This is the state of Arizona prosecuting the Morris twins.

Are people saying they think the accuser changed their story to get criminal charges once they couldn't get money?

Re: Marcus trial
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2017, 10:19:04 AM »

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From what i read e mails prove Hood looking for  a payout, changed his story to police as to marcief being involved with beating only in vicinity
 Couldn't remember where Marcus was standing
Two parties have plead quilty and claim they acted alone-it seems the defense has muddied the water enough for reasonable doubt .Even if witnesses have a different version  the defense will
show how unreliable witness versions can be.
This looks like at worst a hung jury-
Sigh. And as an aside, how many years should such lawyers get for their decisions and actions?  :P

Isn't this a criminal trial?  Why does everyone keep talking about money?  This is the state of Arizona prosecuting the Morris twins.

Are people saying they think the accuser changed their story to get criminal charges once they couldn't get money?

They're suggesting that the accuser implicated the Morris twins - instead of the only two real assailants - because doing so allows for a civil recovery. The accuser has in fact sued, talking about a million dollar settlement.

It's a reasonable doubt tactic. If a juror thinks that there's even a reasonable chance that the accuser is lying about who struck him, s/he might acquit.


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Re: Marcus trial
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2017, 11:15:03 AM »

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If the Twins had few assets, this would be over.

I hope these two young men have learned a lesson from this. (aside from lawyers always go after the deepest pockets.)

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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2017, 12:29:23 PM »

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If the Twins had few assets, this would be over.

I hope these two young men have learned a lesson from this. (aside from lawyers always go after the deepest pockets.)

Well yeah, they would have been tried already... Just like the other two attackers who are not involved in collegiate or professional sports.  They have already plead guilty and are awaiting sentencing. 

But again... this isn't "lawyers going after the deepest pockets" this is the state of Arizona prosecuting 5 men involved in a gang-beating where there were multiple eye witnesses to the events.   


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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2017, 12:49:37 PM »

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If the Twins had few assets, this would be over.

I hope these two young men have learned a lesson from this. (aside from lawyers always go after the deepest pockets.)

Well yeah, they would have been tried already... Just like the other two attackers who are not involved in collegiate or professional sports.  They have already plead guilty and are awaiting sentencing. 

But again... this isn't "lawyers going after the deepest pockets" this is the state of Arizona prosecuting 5 men involved in a gang-beating where there were multiple eye witnesses to the events.

I believe the Morrises are arguing that if they didn't have money, they would never have been targeted with false accusations to begin with.  So it seems everything about the case does, in fact, have to do with money.

Re: Marcus trial
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2017, 02:58:12 PM »

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If the Twins had few assets, this would be over.

I hope these two young men have learned a lesson from this. (aside from lawyers always go after the deepest pockets.)

Well yeah, they would have been tried already... Just like the other two attackers who are not involved in collegiate or professional sports.  They have already plead guilty and are awaiting sentencing. 

But again... this isn't "lawyers going after the deepest pockets" this is the state of Arizona prosecuting 5 men involved in a gang-beating where there were multiple eye witnesses to the events.

I believe the Morrises are arguing that if they didn't have money, they would never have been targeted with false accusations to begin with.  So it seems everything about the case does, in fact, have to do with money.

Again, this is a felony assault trial.  This is not one person accusing the Morris twins of damages in civil court.  This is a district attorney in Arizona deciding they have enough physical evidence, eye witnesses, and corroborating evidence to have a reasonable chance at a guilty verdict.  They're under no obligation to try a case that boils down to he said/she said, and it's unlikely they care about the twins financial status.   

Witnesses said the getaway car was a Rolls Royce Phantom... wouldn't the victim have gone after money from the owner of that car instead of the twins if they were innocent and he was just seeking an easy payday?

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2017, 05:04:44 PM »

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If the Twins had few assets, this would be over.

I hope these two young men have learned a lesson from this. (aside from lawyers always go after the deepest pockets.)

Well yeah, they would have been tried already... Just like the other two attackers who are not involved in collegiate or professional sports.  They have already plead guilty and are awaiting sentencing. 

But again... this isn't "lawyers going after the deepest pockets" this is the state of Arizona prosecuting 5 men involved in a gang-beating where there were multiple eye witnesses to the events.

I believe the Morrises are arguing that if they didn't have money, they would never have been targeted with false accusations to begin with.  So it seems everything about the case does, in fact, have to do with money.

Again, this is a felony assault trial.  This is not one person accusing the Morris twins of damages in civil court.  This is a district attorney in Arizona deciding they have enough physical evidence, eye witnesses, and corroborating evidence to have a reasonable chance at a guilty verdict.  They're under no obligation to try a case that boils down to he said/she said, and it's unlikely they care about the twins financial status.   

Witnesses said the getaway car was a Rolls Royce Phantom... wouldn't the victim have gone after money from the owner of that car instead of the twins if they were innocent and he was just seeking an easy payday?

I agree with a lot of your points, except for the prosecution not caring about financial status. Prosecutors love high profile cases as a general rule.


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Re: Marcus trial
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2017, 05:10:26 PM »

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What is the likelihood of him being convicted? Jail time? And is an NBA suspension on the table? I think we need this guy's help at the 4, whether he's a felon or not. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2017, 05:27:15 PM »

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What is the likelihood of him being convicted? Jail time? And is an NBA suspension on the table? I think we need this guy's help at the 4, whether he's a felon or not.
right. what's an assault among friends? maybe our backup center won't have too many murder charges and he can get time off for good behavior. or maybe play with an ankle monitor a few minutes a night?

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Re: Marcus trial
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2017, 05:41:16 PM »

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What is the likelihood of him being convicted? Jail time? And is an NBA suspension on the table? I think we need this guy's help at the 4, whether he's a felon or not.

The case is stronger against Marcus than Markieff. No idea how likely conviction is.

If he's guilty of a felony, it's a minimum 10 game suspension.

I think I read that the average sentence is around 2.5 years, but even with a conviction I'd expect probation.


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Re: Marcus trial
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2017, 07:38:22 PM »

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What is the likelihood of him being convicted? Jail time? And is an NBA suspension on the table? I think we need this guy's help at the 4, whether he's a felon or not.
right. what's an assault among friends? maybe our backup center won't have too many murder charges and he can get time off for good behavior. or maybe play with an ankle monitor a few minutes a night?

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I was brief in my post, but will clarify that I obviously don't condone criminal behavior.  And relatedly, the way domestic violence issues have been handled in the NFL (e.g., minimal repercussions) has been troubling.  I don't know enough about Marcus' case to have an opinion re: his guilt either way.

In general, I do think our frontcourt would struggle without Marcus this season.


The case is stronger against Marcus than Markieff. No idea how likely conviction is.

If he's guilty of a felony, it's a minimum 10 game suspension.

I think I read that the average sentence is around 2.5 years, but even with a conviction I'd expect probation.

That's very helpful, thanks Roy.  Hopefully the situation doesn't end badly.
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