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IT maybe "damaged goods" but so is Irving....
« on: September 19, 2017, 07:37:44 AM »

Offline TheReaLPuba

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....dude averages 64 games a season.

Don't be surprised if he misses playoff games too.

Guards with chronic knee issues don't age well (Kevin Johnson, Penny Hardaway, Kenny Naderson, etc...) and this teams window is the next 3 years which basically matches GS.

Does anyone think we are on the Warriors level right now ??

How does Ainge give up the two best picks in franchise history ?

He's been patient for so many years and panicks now...why ?!

Re: IT maybe "damaged goods" but so is Irving....
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 07:40:23 AM »

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A late second rounder is one of the greatest 2 picks in franchise history?
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2017, 07:52:48 AM »

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A late second rounder is one of the greatest 2 picks in franchise history?

I assume he means Fultz + BRK pick.


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Re: IT maybe "damaged goods" but so is Irving....
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2017, 07:58:12 AM »

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A late second rounder is one of the greatest 2 picks in franchise history?

I assume he means Fultz + BRK pick.

I know, I'm just pointing out he made a jump from talking about Kyrie, Kyrie to talking about that BRK pick.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 08:24:36 AM »

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Then when we trade Tatum or the Lakers Pick, people will scream that they can't believe we traded such valuable assets without connecting that those are the 2 valuable assets that we got for trading that one valuable asset that they complained about trading.

I do agree with the general idea that durability is an issue with Kyrie.  There is risk associated with this aspect of the trade, no doubt.

Disagree about the window though.  We are set up just fine for more than a 3 year window.

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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 08:27:10 AM »

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I do think it's odd that some people talk like Kyrie is more durable, that IT's game makes him more susceptible to injury, etc.

Kyrie has obviously had some injury issues, and they're somewhat concerning. In 6 seasons, he has missed 60 games more than IT. On average, Kyrie misses 20% of the regular season every year, while IT has only missed six games, total, the last two seasons.

So, "damaged goods" might be strong, but history tells us we won't be getting an iron man.


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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 08:28:25 AM »

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KI hasn't missed significant time in 3 of the last 4 seasons, vs. IT who may have a serious debilitating long term issue.

Not really comparable.

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2017, 08:43:07 AM »

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KI hasn't missed significant time in 3 of the last 4 seasons ...

Or, Kyrie has missed at least 12% of the season 5 out of 6 years in his career.

It depends on how you view "significant".


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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 08:44:39 AM »

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KI hasn't missed significant time in 3 of the last 4 seasons ...

Or, Kyrie has missed at least 12% of the season 5 out of 6 years in his career.

It depends on how you view "significant".

Around ten games isn't significant.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 09:17:22 AM »

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KI hasn't missed significant time in 3 of the last 4 seasons ...

Or, Kyrie has missed at least 12% of the season 5 out of 6 years in his career.

It depends on how you view "significant".

Around ten games isn't significant.

Hell the Spurs rest their guys 12% of the season.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 09:37:11 AM »

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KI hasn't missed significant time in 3 of the last 4 seasons ...

Or, Kyrie has missed at least 12% of the season 5 out of 6 years in his career.

It depends on how you view "significant".

Around ten games isn't significant.

Hell the Spurs rest their guys 12% of the season.

This is a fair point Cleveland was copying the Spurs rest model the last 2 years. Many of Kyrie's missed starts were scheduled unlike IT who was playing above his physical limits for much of the second half of last season.

Kyrie got to the finals healthy each of the least 2 seasons whatever body maintenance he's doing is clearly working.

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2017, 09:38:36 AM »

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The clean chop--not having to deal with injury concerns and when he gets back and how he plays and for how long or surgery or no surgery and salary negotiations.I think a lot of young players get hurt early in careers but learn how and when to put it on.Irving is not an above rim player
In one way we got the smart smooth players-horford,tatum,hayward and irving-
Then we got the grit /tough guys Rozier,smart and morris-then then the big strong guys yabuselea (boxer), ojeleye( best athlete combine) and baynes (rugby).
Irving says he wants to be a point guard not just a scorer and make everyone better -is that damaged

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A late second rounder is one of the greatest 2 picks in franchise history?

I assume he means Fultz + BRK pick.

Well we didn't give up Fultz for Kyrie, we got the guy we wanted in the draft and got an additional potential lottery pick out of it too

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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2017, 10:43:00 AM »

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A late second rounder is one of the greatest 2 picks in franchise history?

I assume he means Fultz + BRK pick.

Yes exactly.

Although Tatum looks to be the real deal....with the eye test.

Will he have a historic HOF career like Pierce?

We shall see.

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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2017, 10:43:22 AM »

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....dude averages 64 games a season.

Don't be surprised if he misses playoff games too.

Guards with chronic knee issues don't age well (Kevin Johnson, Penny Hardaway, Kenny Naderson, etc...)
and this teams window is the next 3 years which basically matches GS.

Does anyone think we are on the Warriors level right now ??

How does Ainge give up the two best picks in franchise history ?

He's been patient for so many years and panicks now...why ?!


Under 6' guards age worse (example. all of them).
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