Brinks truck and Ainge backed in corner and a forced majeure

[rollie mass]

Did Isaiah bring this on himself in his quest for the max as a measure of success?Was the not drafting Fultz what got trainers and physio replaced?Was Ainge forced into a corner with these events and only rescued by Irving trade.Did Isaiah's agent ever address the Cap and managements timeline and fears of Isaiahs skills degrading ?The public promotion of MAX using his fan popularity would become polarising.
If Ainge knew the severity of Isaiahs injury back at time of draft, wouldn't he be forced to take Fultz and keep our Nets pick?
Ainge had no choice but to trade and let somebody else deal with MAX issue while getting a mercurial 4 times all star, that also eased Fultz swap.
No wonder training and medical team got replaced ,a mistake on their part jeopardised the rebuild
.If we had gone half the season with all the new players without a all star point guard and then the free agent market price that ainge was NOT going to do match.
Isaiah should leave that legacy untarnished for it was truly historical-even this ending.
Ainge was forced as GM to make the hardestcall but in the end it was a FORCE MAJEURE

[slightly biased bias fan]

What I am intrigued about is what will happen with Tatum long term, Hayward can't be defensive stopper next to Irving going forward and Tatum won't want to be a power forward for the rest of his career so is he our 6th man for the next 4-5 years?

[KG Living Legend]

 The trainer's were fired because they mismanaged ITs hip.

[mctyson]

 The trainer's were fired because they mismanaged ITs hip.

I don't think it had anything to do with this.

[D Dub]

What I am intrigued about is what will happen with Tatum long term, Hayward can't be defensive stopper next to Irving going forward and Tatum won't want to be a power forward for the rest of his career so is he our 6th man for the next 4-5 years?

I think he'll play lots of four. 

It's just like playing two or three these days, so he should use the opportunity to his advantage. 

I think Brad see's Smart as our defensive stopper alongside Kyrie, with Jaylen in the mix to guard the Lebrons PG's and KD's of the world. 

[billysan]

Did Isaiah bring this on himself in his quest for the max as a measure of success?Was the not drafting Fultz what got trainers and physio replaced?Was Ainge forced into a corner with these events and only rescued by Irving trade.Did Isaiah's agent ever address the Cap and managements timeline and fears of Isaiahs skills degrading ?The public promotion of MAX using his fan popularity would become polarising.
If Ainge knew the severity of Isaiahs injury back at time of draft, wouldn't he be forced to take Fultz and keep our Nets pick?
Ainge had no choice but to trade and let somebody else deal with MAX issue while getting a mercurial 4 times all star, that also eased Fultz swap.
No wonder training and medical team got replaced ,a mistake on their part jeopardised the rebuild
.If we had gone half the season with all the new players without a all star point guard and then the free agent market price that ainge was NOT going to do match.
Isaiah should leave that legacy untarnished for it was truly historical-even this ending.
Ainge was forced as GM to make the hardestcall but in the end it was a FORCED MAJEURE

TP Rollie

Love the theory. I'm not sure we will ever get the truth about this but it certainly is a possible sequence of events. I agree that it is unlikely Ainge passes up 3 top shelf PG prospects in the draft if he knows his all star guy isn't healthy. He's a gambler, but not a fool.

[timpiker]

I too think IT's Brinks truck comments might have had something to do with it.  I thought they were ridiculous and stupid when he 1st started saying them.  And I think paying even a healthy IT a max would be stupid as well.  I love what IT did the last 2.5 years but there is no way in hell this guy should get a max.  None, no way, nada.

And I too was wondering about the coincidence of IT's injury and the medical staff being fired.  Does see like there might be something there.

And I think Danny was bailed out on the IT situation with Kyrie's demand.  Maybe God does look out for the C's !

[billysan]

I too think IT's Brinks truck comments might have had something to do with it.  I thought they were ridiculous and stupid when he 1st started saying them.  And I think paying even a healthy IT a max would be stupid as well.  I love what IT did the last 2.5 years but there is no way in hell this guy should get a max.  None, no way, nada.

And I too was wondering about the coincidence of IT's injury and the medical staff being fired.  Does see like there might be something there.

And I think Danny was bailed out on the IT situation with Kyrie's demand.  Maybe God does look out for the C's !

I loved our team with IT at the helm last year.

That said, no way I give him the max next season. He had a career year and got benefits from our team and system to get him there. That doesn't qualify anyone for a max contract.  I also agree he was immediately going on the block after the Brinks truck comment and Danny quickly pulled the trigger when Kyrie became available.

God does love the Celtics

[No Nickname]

Did Isaiah bring this on himself in his quest for the max as a measure of success?Was the not drafting Fultz what got trainers and physio replaced?Was Ainge forced into a corner with these events and only rescued by Irving trade.Did Isaiah's agent ever address the Cap and managements timeline and fears of Isaiahs skills degrading ?The public promotion of MAX using his fan popularity would become polarising.
If Ainge knew the severity of Isaiahs injury back at time of draft, wouldn't he be forced to take Fultz and keep our Nets pick?
Ainge had no choice but to trade and let somebody else deal with MAX issue while getting a mercurial 4 times all star, that also eased Fultz swap.
No wonder training and medical team got replaced ,a mistake on their part jeopardised the rebuild
.If we had gone half the season with all the new players without a all star point guard and then the free agent market price that ainge was NOT going to do match.
Isaiah should leave that legacy untarnished for it was truly historical-even this ending.
Ainge was forced as GM to make the hardestcall but in the end it was a FORCED MAJEURE

TP Rollie

Love the theory. I'm not sure we will ever get the truth about this but it certainly is a possible sequence of events. I agree that it is unlikely Ainge passes up 3 top shelf PG prospects in the draft if he knows his all star guy isn't healthy. He's a gambler, but not a fool.

Without the Kyrie trade this season could have been a major letdown. I'm convinced Danny would have drafted Fultz if he had known the severity of IT's hip. When he did find out, heads rolled on the medical staff. That's their job to be on top of this. I'm not placing all blame on them, as the specialists are just as complicit. But Ainge depends on the med/training staff to be his eyes/ears/brains on this. He isn't a doctor.

[More Banners]

Danny has to give a lot of points credit.

Yes, we were best record in east and made ECF. And there got spanked.

But there is at least question whether we make it out of the first round, healthy Rondo. In this case, we're a regular season overachiever, 1st round out. If that's peak, it's an automatic rebuild.

We went 7 against a solid Wiz team. Hard to say one is solidly over the other if it goes 7, IMO. Say there's a point for calling it a draw.

Never was sold on a big 3 of Horford, who missed so many bunnies at key moments and is aging, and IT as main stars. With this crazy rebuild of 2017, now I think with Irving and Hayward, plus Horford as 3rd dude, I like that better. Rather than veteran role player filler, I like Rozier, Smart, Brown (each now with playoff experience), and Tatum. These guys perform and we contend now, or learn and we contend later.

Heck of a rebuild. Ainge should get GM of the year.

[Big333223]

I agree that Thomas brought this on himself but not because of what he said, because of how well he played on the court. Last season, he played himself into a position where anything less than a max contract would've been below him. But at his age and size, Ainge (and a lot of Celtic fans, including the ones who love IT) didn't want to give him a max contract. So Ainge found a younger, bigger, even more dynamic PG he can feel comfortable building around for the long term.

I think too much is made about Thomas and his brinks truck. Of course he wants a big contract, he was top 5 in MVP voting last year. He was awesome and deserved that consideration. The problem wasn't that he asked for it, the problem was the he deserved it for his play.

[billysan]

Heck of a rebuild. Ainge should get GM of the year.

Love to see it, but won't happen if we don't exceed last year's performance.

[td450]

Isaiah and his agent are to blame because they signed a deal in 2014 for 4 years when IT was 25.

The deal created an obvious awkward position for the next contract coming up at age 29, especially given that IT had never earned serious money until that point. Regardless of where he was at his career, this was going to cause problems. All players should put themselves in position where they can sign at age 26 or 27. Getting off that sweet spot is a problem, particularly for a guy that small.

Even Ainge has some blame here, because he put himself and IT in this spot too. Perhaps he was just so thrilled to lock a quality player into a cost controlled deal that he didn't worry about the end game, but it just didn't work.

[Ogaju]

wasn't there also some thread here about IT and the Lakers that miffed some fans?

[CelticsQuestFor18]

wasn't there also some thread here about IT and the Lakers that miffed some fans?

He grew up being a Lakers fan (like Pierce) and said he deserves a max and that while he'd love to stay in BOS long term, he knows it's a business and it's not guaranteed.

I really don't know how that managed to miff fans though. I know the thread you're talking about and that still puzzled me. What IT said at the time was 100% correct.

And I mean, lets say IT was healthy but C's weren't willing to give him max, and say a team like Lakers did and IT chose to go there. It's his fault how? That he isn't loyal? BWAHAAHA. What have we learned these past 3 months people...