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Possible Catalonia referendum
« on: September 16, 2017, 09:43:03 PM »

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If this goes through, we can use this thread to post news.

BBC article below

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41292318

Re: Possible Catalonia referendum
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 11:22:48 PM »

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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but Catalonia is not alone in seeking to leave a nation and create some independence. The Kurds have long sought this...irking, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria, among others.  ;D

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/urges-kurds-call-independence-vote-170916070603153.html

As for Catalonia, it had been one of the places I had considered for retirement. I may just settle for southern France or Portugal.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2017, 02:52:56 PM »

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Absolutely, separatism is a common issue around the world.

I'm quite interested in Spanish politics, I will be posting here news on Catalonian separatism and hopefully more ppl will join the conversation.

Regarding your future retirement, both S. France and Catalonia seem great to me - never been to Portugal unfortunately. Will be nice to have you on our side of the Atlantic.

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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2017, 02:56:50 PM »

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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but Catalonia is not alone in seeking to leave a nation and create some independence. The Kurds have long sought this...irking, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria, among others.  ;D

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/urges-kurds-call-independence-vote-170916070603153.html

As for Catalonia, it had been one of the places I had considered for retirement. I may just settle for southern France or Portugal.
Portugal would be my pick. If I weren't living in Croatia.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2017, 02:58:40 PM »

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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but Catalonia is not alone in seeking to leave a nation and create some independence. The Kurds have long sought this...irking, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria, among others.  ;D

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/urges-kurds-call-independence-vote-170916070603153.html

As for Catalonia, it had been one of the places I had considered for retirement. I may just settle for southern France or Portugal.
Portugal would be my pick.

The stereotype is Portuguese women are not as beautiful though.

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2017, 06:00:11 PM »

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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but Catalonia is not alone in seeking to leave a nation and create some independence. The Kurds have long sought this...irking, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria, among others.  ;D

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/urges-kurds-call-independence-vote-170916070603153.html

As for Catalonia, it had been one of the places I had considered for retirement. I may just settle for southern France or Portugal.
Portugal would be my pick. If I weren't living in Croatia.
For you and Greece666, Slovenia may be your best bet. I have thought about there, but the idea of having to learn the language is daunting.  None of the languages I have studied so far have prepared me for it.   ;D
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2017, 06:38:57 PM »

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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but Catalonia is not alone in seeking to leave a nation and create some independence. The Kurds have long sought this...irking, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria, among others.  ;D

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/urges-kurds-call-independence-vote-170916070603153.html

As for Catalonia, it had been one of the places I had considered for retirement. I may just settle for southern France or Portugal.

And closer to home, Quebec.

Quebec voted for years and years until it finally passed one year but then I am not sure what happen as they never separated.

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 08:46:33 PM »

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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but Catalonia is not alone in seeking to leave a nation and create some independence. The Kurds have long sought this...irking, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria, among others.  ;D

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/urges-kurds-call-independence-vote-170916070603153.html

As for Catalonia, it had been one of the places I had considered for retirement. I may just settle for southern France or Portugal.

And closer to home, Quebec.

Quebec voted for years and years until it finally passed one year but then I am not sure what happen as they never separated.

If I am not mistaken, they only had two, and both times the separatists lost.

Back to Catalonia, apparently local authorities want to have a referendum on Oct. 1 but the process - their legal case seems weak though, they are preparing the referendum without the approval of the central government. The following weeks should be interesting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte/philippines-duterte-asks-head-of-human-rights-agency-are-you-a-pedophile-idUSKCN1BR0IX

https://www.ft.com/content/eb770a58-9a02-11e7-a652-cde3f882dd7b

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2017, 10:12:20 AM »

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an update on the situation in Catalonia. Here is an article by the BBC. The Spanish government is stepping up raids in Catalonia so as to prevent the vote from occuring.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41331152
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2017, 10:48:42 AM »

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I prefer not to say what I think about the issue.

The Spanish dictatorial and corrupt ruling party (its main present and past leaders are being judged) is beginning to register printing offices and newpapers in Catalonia, and today several important Catalan politicians have been arrested "in the name of democracy and our Constitution". The same Constitution that allows many workers earning less than the minimum salary.

FYI, I don't live in Catalonia or near it. In fact, Castille is known as one of the most conservative Spanish regions. But what is happening is shameful. You can't arrest people for wanting to vote.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2017, 05:10:50 PM »

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It's unfortunate Darío, I hope the situation gets better.

Had a look at the news today, policing is now the latest topic: all police forces in Catalonia have been put under central control + more forces have been moved in the region.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2017, 10:05:01 AM »

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There is some more specific information today.

Regarding the the police forces, Barcelona resisted single command  from Madrid. Mossos will continue taking orders from Barcelona.

Also, we have specific numbers about the police forces currently present in Catalonia.

>A reported 3,000-4,000 extra state police officers are also being moved up to Catalonia for the referendum. They will join 5,000 state police already based in the region and 17,000 local Mossos.>

Not sure how reliable the Mossos will be, but nearly 10k policemen is not a small number anyway.

What is unclear to me, is what Barcelona wants to get from this. Even if the referendum happens it will have no validity and it will not be enough to declare unilaterally independence. If this was about getting more media attention to the Catalan cause, I'll wait until we have new polls on the independence question; but I doubt the recent events helped their cause much.
Not that Madrid played its cards well during this crisis.

https://www.ft.com/content/c12596c0-a06f-11e7-9e4f-7f5e6a7c98a2

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2017, 10:22:08 AM »

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Just wondering how the EU plays in this.  Has the EU made any statements?  If Catalonia did become independent, I assume they'd want to remain in the EU but would they be able to do so? 

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2017, 10:50:13 AM »

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I don't know enough about the situation over there to say whether or not the Catalan's have a valid reason for wanting independence. But I do know history well enough to know if they really do want their independence they better be prepared to (literally) fight for it. Almost no one has ever gained their independence without having to spill blood.

I mean, of what little I do know about Spain, the Catalonian region is the most industrious and wealthy region in the country, do they really think the rest of Spain is going to just let them walk away with all that money?

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2017, 11:13:37 AM »

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Catalonia is great, i fell in love in Barcelona, the people over there don't really identify themselves as spanish, some even get in****ed.

Spain of catalonia, i will be back there ASAP
Not meaning to hijack the thread, but Catalonia is not alone in seeking to leave a nation and create some independence. The Kurds have long sought this...irking, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria, among others.  ;D

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/urges-kurds-call-independence-vote-170916070603153.html

As for Catalonia, it had been one of the places I had considered for retirement. I may just settle for southern France or Portugal.


I recommend south spain, Andalusia or Catalonia, or the islands of Menorca y Mallorca
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