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Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2017, 04:22:59 PM »

Offline BudweiserCeltic

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It really is time to bury the hatchet...Geeze, Danny tried trading Ray Allen a bunch of times---No C's fan should hate on Ray.

We waited 22 years to finally win another Championship, now it's been almost another 10--Ray Allen was crucial to Banner 17-!
Because he deserve it, Ainge saw his juda nature and is proved right

Ainge is as much a "Judas" as Ray.

In other words, not at all. They're both businessmen.

Judas to whom? To Ray? Sure.

But you know there's apples here, and some oranges there.

Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2017, 04:42:19 PM »

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It really is time to bury the hatchet...Geeze, Danny tried trading Ray Allen a bunch of times---No C's fan should hate on Ray.

We waited 22 years to finally win another Championship, now it's been almost another 10--Ray Allen was crucial to Banner 17-!
Because he deserve it, Ainge saw his juda nature and is proved right

Ainge is as much a "Judas" as Ray.

In other words, not at all. They're both businessmen.

Judas to whom? To Ray? Sure.

But you know there's apples here, and some oranges there.
exactly. I hate the comparison of gm to player. The players are the face of the squad, the gm is a back office guy trying to make trades.

Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2017, 07:14:21 PM »

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It really is time to bury the hatchet...Geeze, Danny tried trading Ray Allen a bunch of times---No C's fan should hate on Ray.

We waited 22 years to finally win another Championship, now it's been almost another 10--Ray Allen was crucial to Banner 17-!
Because he deserve it, Ainge saw his juda nature and is proved right

Ainge is as much a "Judas" as Ray.

In other words, not at all. They're both businessmen.

Judas to whom? To Ray? Sure.

But you know there's apples here, and some oranges there.
exactly. I hate the comparison of gm to player. The players are the face of the squad, the gm is a back office guy trying to make trades.

So?

Neither player no GM must show "loyalty".

Danny can trade anyone on the team at any time, and he's done so. Antoine, KG, Pierce, Perk, IT. It doesn't matter how much a player has given to a franchise, he's a commodity to be evaluated and potentially traded. Danny doesn't care about emotional bonds, either to players or fans.

Similarly, Ray is allowed to make a cold business decision. He doesn't owe an ounce of loyalty beyond his contractual obligations.

Neither is a "Judas". The guys who demand trades while still under contract? They're the traitors, because they walked out on their obligations.  They signed a contract and refused to honor it in good faith.  But free agents? Wherever they go, it's their right.


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Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2017, 08:48:53 PM »

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The guys who demand trades while still under contract? They're the traitors, because they walked out on their obligations.  They signed a contract and refused to honor it in good faith. 

Have you always felt this way or have you felt this way only since the Kyrie acquisition? Sincere question.
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Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2017, 08:52:36 PM »

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I have no personal feelings for Ray but I definitely will always have KG/Pierce/Rondo's backs...   If those 3 wanted to keep the feud going then I'm on their side the whole way.  Once they are ready to forgive then so aren't I.



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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2017, 08:55:49 PM »

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It really is time to bury the hatchet...Geeze, Danny tried trading Ray Allen a bunch of times---No C's fan should hate on Ray.

We waited 22 years to finally win another Championship, now it's been almost another 10--Ray Allen was crucial to Banner 17-!
Because he deserve it, Ainge saw his juda nature and is proved right

Ainge is as much a "Judas" as Ray.

In other words, not at all. They're both businessmen.

Judas to whom? To Ray? Sure.

But you know there's apples here, and some oranges there.
exactly. I hate the comparison of gm to player. The players are the face of the squad, the gm is a back office guy trying to make trades.

So?

Neither player no GM must show "loyalty".

Danny can trade anyone on the team at any time, and he's done so. Antoine, KG, Pierce, Perk, IT. It doesn't matter how much a player has given to a franchise, he's a commodity to be evaluated and potentially traded. Danny doesn't care about emotional bonds, either to players or fans.

Similarly, Ray is allowed to make a cold business decision. He doesn't owe an ounce of loyalty beyond his contractual obligations.

Neither is a "Judas". The guys who demand trades while still under contract? They're the traitors, because they walked out on their obligations.  They signed a contract and refused to honor it in good faith.  But free agents? Wherever they go, it's their right.

Ray is 100% a Judas.


He took a smaller contract to play for a rival, and didn't have the nuts to tell his teammates.

Judas.

This Kyrie trade has got you trippen.


Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2017, 09:04:22 PM »

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It really is time to bury the hatchet...Geeze, Danny tried trading Ray Allen a bunch of times---No C's fan should hate on Ray.

We waited 22 years to finally win another Championship, now it's been almost another 10--Ray Allen was crucial to Banner 17-!
Because he deserve it, Ainge saw his juda nature and is proved right

Ainge is as much a "Judas" as Ray.

In other words, not at all. They're both businessmen.

Judas to whom? To Ray? Sure.

But you know there's apples here, and some oranges there.
exactly. I hate the comparison of gm to player. The players are the face of the squad, the gm is a back office guy trying to make trades.

So?

Neither player no GM must show "loyalty".

Danny can trade anyone on the team at any time, and he's done so. Antoine, KG, Pierce, Perk, IT. It doesn't matter how much a player has given to a franchise, he's a commodity to be evaluated and potentially traded. Danny doesn't care about emotional bonds, either to players or fans.

Similarly, Ray is allowed to make a cold business decision. He doesn't owe an ounce of loyalty beyond his contractual obligations.

Neither is a "Judas". The guys who demand trades while still under contract? They're the traitors, because they walked out on their obligations.  They signed a contract and refused to honor it in good faith.  But free agents? Wherever they go, it's their right.

Ray is 100% a Judas.


He took a smaller contract to play for a rival, and didn't have the nuts to tell his teammates.

Judas.

This Kyrie trade has got you trippen.

1. Kyrie took less money than he was entitled to to go to a rival;

2. Kyrie refused to talk with his teammates about his trade demand; and

3. Kyrie refused to fulfill his contract, sticking it to fans and teammates in the process.



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Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2017, 09:14:29 PM »

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The guys who demand trades while still under contract? They're the traitors, because they walked out on their obligations.  They signed a contract and refused to honor it in good faith. 

Have you always felt this way or have you felt this way only since the Kyrie acquisition? Sincere question.

I'm sure I've had a hypocritical moment or two, but I think the only guy I've actively supported after demanding a trade is Alonzo Mourning. Did Barkley demand a trade? I liked him too.

Vince Carter, Carmelo, Starbury, Steve Francis, Dwight Howard... I'm just not a fan of most guys who don't honor contracts.


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Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2017, 09:21:48 PM »

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Since it's a business, I don't see why demanding a trade doesn't fall within the bounds of business options for players. The team can just refuse the demand and not trade the player. The player then either refuses to play or he plays. Or the team accepts the demand and makes the trade. Simple.
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Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2017, 09:25:10 PM »

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It really is time to bury the hatchet...Geeze, Danny tried trading Ray Allen a bunch of times---No C's fan should hate on Ray.

We waited 22 years to finally win another Championship, now it's been almost another 10--Ray Allen was crucial to Banner 17-!
Because he deserve it, Ainge saw his juda nature and is proved right

Ainge is as much a "Judas" as Ray.

In other words, not at all. They're both businessmen.
Is it good business to take less money to go somewhere else?

Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2017, 09:26:32 PM »

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It really is time to bury the hatchet...Geeze, Danny tried trading Ray Allen a bunch of times---No C's fan should hate on Ray.

We waited 22 years to finally win another Championship, now it's been almost another 10--Ray Allen was crucial to Banner 17-!
Because he deserve it, Ainge saw his juda nature and is proved right

Ainge is as much a "Judas" as Ray.

In other words, not at all. They're both businessmen.

Totally agree. They made decisions that were the best for their points of view. No reason for the hate.
But they don't have to be friends either

Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2017, 09:26:38 PM »

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Since it's a business, I don't see why demanding a trade doesn't fall within the bounds of business options for players. The team can just refuse the demand and not trade the player. The player then either refuses to play or he plays. Or the team accepts the demand and makes the trade. Simple.

Part of legitimate business is honoring contracts.


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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2017, 09:28:16 PM »

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It really is time to bury the hatchet...Geeze, Danny tried trading Ray Allen a bunch of times---No C's fan should hate on Ray.

We waited 22 years to finally win another Championship, now it's been almost another 10--Ray Allen was crucial to Banner 17-!
Because he deserve it, Ainge saw his juda nature and is proved right

Ainge is as much a "Judas" as Ray.

In other words, not at all. They're both businessmen.
Is it good business to take less money to go somewhere else?

It can be, sure.


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Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2017, 09:45:05 PM »

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Without Ray no championship

Dont care about the post Celtic Ray tho

Re: The Truth posts picture on Instagram with Ray
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2017, 09:50:54 PM »

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Since it's a business, I don't see why demanding a trade doesn't fall within the bounds of business options for players. The team can just refuse the demand and not trade the player. The player then either refuses to play or he plays. Or the team accepts the demand and makes the trade. Simple.

Part of legitimate business is honoring contracts.

It seems like your problem is with the league itself not being a "legitimate" business, then, because players demanding trades has long been incorporated into the way business is done in the NBA. If it were such a problem then the owners could have addressed it in a number of ways during CBA negotiations.
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