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http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/09/08/report-isaiah-thomas-hip-injury-more-than-just-torn-labrum/

The trade for Kyrie and its strange holdup afterwards just becomes clearer and clearer everyday. No wonder the Cavs were so reticent on IT's hip yesterday and aren't giving him a timetable for return - they legitimately don't know when (or if) he'll return this year.

I feel bad for the guy. This couldn't have happened at a worse time for him, and it could cost him literally tens of millions of dollars.
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According to a source....who is violating his Hippa rights.

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According to a source....who is violating his Hippa rights.

That's actually true, good point.  He laughed off questions about his health in the presser, I'm not sure any one knows his health status. 

It's an awkward situation for CLE - they hold up the trade to try to squeeze more out of the Celtics (true intentions unknown) and then they're ask questions about his health.  If they were being coy, certainly they wouldn't acknowledge that.

ultimately, it behooves the Cavs to rest him for as long as possible, and they have the luxury to do so.
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Starting to understand this trade more and more. Had to give up the Brooklyn pick because IT may just turn out to be salary filler because he might not play this year or ever again.

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According to a source....who is violating his Hippa rights.

Isn't it just the healthcare provider that is bound by HIPPA laws? If a friend of IT or someone from IT's team is the source, there is no HIPPA violation.

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According to a source....who is violating his Hippa rights.

Isn't it just the healthcare provider that is bound by HIPPA laws? If a friend of IT or someone from IT's team is the source, there is no HIPPA violation.

A "friend" may be able to skirt things told to them socially.   Someone on his "team", if under any sort of contractual or employee relationship would possibly be under business confidence expectations.

At any rate, whether legally under HIPPA constraints or not, it still represents a violation of confidence if true.

We don't, of course, know if it is true.

This is the lovely quandary about anonymous sources.   And why all this is ultimately just more speculation and not really any new information.
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According to a source....who is violating his Hippa rights.

Isn't it just the healthcare provider that is bound by HIPPA laws? If a friend of IT or someone from IT's team is the source, there is no HIPPA violation.

If IT told this information to somebody else and that person revealed it to media, correct, it is not a HIPPA violation.
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According to a source....who is violating his Hippa rights.

Isn't it just the healthcare provider that is bound by HIPPA laws? If a friend of IT or someone from IT's team is the source, there is no HIPPA violation.

The law isn't exactly clear in this regard, but I think it could probably be interpreted as a HIPPA violation if any member of the organization with direct access to the records made the leak.

But this report doesn't necessarily say that, only saying someone with direct knowledge of his hip condition. If this was secondhand information, I'm not sure that it would be considered a violation.

But this doesn't really matter either way. These kinds of leaks happen all of the time in professional athletes. It sucks, but I think people have largely accepted it as just part of being a professional athlete.

EDIT: Yeah, as Pho said above.
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According to a source....who is violating his Hippa rights.

Isn't it just the healthcare provider that is bound by HIPPA laws? If a friend of IT or someone from IT's team is the source, there is no HIPPA violation.

A "friend" may be able to skirt things told to them socially.   Someone on his "team", if under any sort of contractual or employee relationship would possibly be under business confidence expectations.

At any rate, whether legally under HIPPA constraints or not, it still represents a violation of confidence if true.

We don't, of course, know if it is true.

This is the lovely quandary about anonymous sources.   And why all this is ultimately just more speculation and not really any new information.

Sure, it definitely comes with the usual caveats associated with anonymous sources.

But clearly with the surrounding context and how this has played out so far, this falls right in line with what you'd expect given everything that has occurred in this bizarre situation.

Starting to understand this trade more and more. Had to give up the Brooklyn pick because IT may just turn out to be salary filler because he might not play this year or ever again.

This is my take on the matter. It seems like Danny just took advantage of a star being on the market to replace IT with his questionable availability and status going forward.
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We all want nothing more than to win the trade but this really sucks for IT.  In a perfect world he can return late in the season but Cleveland isn't able to get past us.  I hope IT comes back close to 100% and earns a big payday with a different organization. 

The irony of this entire situation is that he risked his health by playing through a bad hip and won't end up enjoying any of the success that our team could have over the next 5 years.  It stings even more because of how much he valued the tradition in Boston. 

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Starting to understand this trade more and more. Had to give up the Brooklyn pick because IT may just turn out to be salary filler because he might not play this year or ever again.

We had to give up the BKN pick because Cleveland wouldn't have done the deal without it - even with a healthy IT. With the possible/likely departure of Lebron next off-season, why in the world would the Cavs do this deal without a key building block for the future?

Perhaps the LAL/Sac pick could have gotten it done, maybe even top 1 protection, but without the BKN pick there would be no Kyrie in Boston, no matter what.

But, yes, I agree with the overall premise of the deal now making a lot more sense. The Cavs and Isaiah are putting on the front that it was a Kyrie for IT swap, but everybody knows it was a Kyrie for BKN '18 swap...makes it a little uncomfortable.

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Starting to understand this trade more and more. Had to give up the Brooklyn pick because IT may just turn out to be salary filler because he might not play this year or ever again.

We had to give up the BKN pick because Cleveland wouldn't have done the deal without it - even with a healthy IT. With the possible/likely departure of Lebron next off-season, why in the world would the Cavs do this deal without a key building block for the future?

Perhaps the LAL/Sac pick could have gotten it done, maybe even top 1 protection, but without the BKN pick there would be no Kyrie in Boston, no matter what.

But, yes, I agree with the overall premise of the deal now making a lot more sense. The Cavs and Isaiah are putting on the front that it was a Kyrie for IT swap, but everybody knows it was a Kyrie for BKN '18 swap...makes it a little uncomfortable.
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Sounds bad.

Worse than the team was saying a few months ago.


I feel bad for the guy. This couldn't have happened at a worse time for him, and it could cost him literally tens of millions of dollars.

It could be a $100 million it ends up costing IT.

Starting to understand this trade more and more.

Yeah, me too. I was strongly against beforehand but more open to it now.

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Starting to understand this trade more and more. Had to give up the Brooklyn pick because IT may just turn out to be salary filler because he might not play this year or ever again.

We had to give up the BKN pick because Cleveland wouldn't have done the deal without it - even with a healthy IT. With the possible/likely departure of Lebron next off-season, why in the world would the Cavs do this deal without a key building block for the future?

Perhaps the LAL/Sac pick could have gotten it done, maybe even top 1 protection, but without the BKN pick there would be no Kyrie in Boston, no matter what.

But, yes, I agree with the overall premise of the deal now making a lot more sense. The Cavs and Isaiah are putting on the front that it was a Kyrie for IT swap, but everybody knows it was a Kyrie for BKN '18 swap...makes it a little uncomfortable.


Cleveland may have wanted that, but I don't think the Celtics give that to the Cavs if IT is healthy.   



The whole "fit the timeline" may have been more about Irving vs. next years draft pick. 

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Danny did the right thing getting rid of him. Don't say that being rude but for the long run success for this team, Thomas had to be moved.
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