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Anthony Davis trade scenario
« on: September 04, 2017, 03:57:06 AM »

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I know this won't happen like this...it never does but this is a logical hypothesis.

I think the Pelicans will be eliminated from the playoffs picture very early given the depth in the West, which will lead to a panicking GM trading away Cousins for pennies on the dollar. IF and this is a big if, Davis publicly asked to be traded (or it's leaked) this will automatically deflate his value as we have seen from George, Butler and Irving.

Trade Proposal:

Pelicans receive: Drummond, Tatum, Rozier, Yabusele, Lakers pick, Clippers pick, Memphis pick
Celtics receive: Davis, Asik
Pistons receive: Horford

Pelicans benefits are:

- Drummond is top level forward to replace Davis that is locked into a long term contract
- Tatum could be a franchise level player in time
- Cap relief from Boston taking Asik's terrible contract
- Rozier is a quality starter still on rookie deal
- Multiple top level picks that could be packaged or for several shots at another franchise star
- Ability to compete while rebuilding

Detroit benefits are:

- Insiders have reported that Detroit is done with Drummond and has him on the block, under Van Gundy they still want to compete and Horford would make a fantastic replacement and mentor for young team.
- Horford is locked down long term and is from the Michigan area


Thoughts?


Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2017, 05:12:52 AM »

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I know this won't happen like this...it never does but this is a logical hypothesis.

I think the Pelicans will be eliminated from the playoffs picture very early given the depth in the West, which will lead to a panicking GM trading away Cousins for pennies on the dollar. IF and this is a big if, Davis publicly asked to be traded (or it's leaked) this will automatically deflate his value as we have seen from George, Butler and Irving.

Trade Proposal:

Pelicans receive: Drummond, Tatum, Rozier, Yabusele, Lakers pick, Clippers pick, Memphis pick
Celtics receive: Davis, Asik
Pistons receive: Horford

Pelicans benefits are:

- Drummond is top level forward to replace Davis that is locked into a long term contract
- Tatum could be a franchise level player in time
- Cap relief from Boston taking Asik's terrible contract
- Rozier is a quality starter still on rookie deal
- Multiple top level picks that could be packaged or for several shots at another franchise star
- Ability to compete while rebuilding

Detroit benefits are:

- Insiders have reported that Detroit is done with Drummond and has him on the block, under Van Gundy they still want to compete and Horford would make a fantastic replacement and mentor for young team.
- Horford is locked down long term and is from the Michigan area


Thoughts?
Cousins would be a free agent after the Pelicans are eliminated from the Playoffs, so he wouldn’t be their panicking GMs to trade. And while some of the stars who demand a trade do see their value automatically deflate, not all do. The Cavs got a ton of value for Irving, even though he demanded a trade. And even after this season, Davis will still have 3 years left on his deal. No player option, so 3 years more of actual team control, even if we traded for him after this season. That coupled with the fact that he is a better and more balanced player than all of George, Butler, and Irving, means even if he demands a trade his value will still be sky high. Every team would be in on him, and it would be easy for the Pelicans to wait their potential trade partners out. 3 more years of a young, balanced superstar would cost a boat load to pry from the Pelicans.
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Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 05:58:25 AM »

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It is hard for me to quantify Drummonds market worth.
 
I mean he is nimble, a beast physically, still fairly young, but on the other hand, a guy like Baynes can be more useful as he doesn't possess a critical weakness (FTs) like Drummond does.

Team             2017-18            2018-19            2019-20            2020-21 (P.O.)
Det Pistons   $23,775,506   $25,434,263     $27,093,019      $28,751,775
 
Is he a positive,  0-worth or negative asset?
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Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 07:37:32 AM »

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I like the creativity of the trade, TP. That does seem like good value for Davis but I can't see the Pelicans moving Davis without moving Cousins as well in a full rebuild situation.  Maybe a three way of C's, Bucks, and Pelicans.

C's get= Davis, Middleton, and a TPE from Bucks.

Bucks get= Cousins, and Smart.

Pelicans get= Horford, Maker, Tatum, and Brown + Lakers pick.

Teams end up as
C's: Irving, Middleton, Hayward, Davis, Baynes
bench: Rozier, Green, Morris, Semi, Theis

Bucks: Smart, Brogdon, Giannis, Parker, Cousins
bench: Della, Snell, Tele, Henson, Monroe

Pelicans: Holiday, Brown, Tatum, Thon, Horford
bench: Rondo, Moore, Hill, Diallo, Asik

C's end up with an elite starting unit.
Pelicans get an elite level prospect rebuild and Lakers pick.
Bucks get an elite big and a top defensive PG.
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Trade targets.      Draft.                     FAs
1. Davis              1.Fultz              1. Griffin*
2. Cousins          2. Tatum          2. Hayward
3. Butler              3. Jackson       3. Millsap
4. George            4. Ball               4. Lowry
5. Favors             5. Isaac            5. Gali

Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2017, 07:43:20 AM »

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Davis' value would not go down much if he asked for a trade.  There would be too much interest from other teams. 

Drummond is a pure center not a forward and I wouldn't call him top level.  His only top level skill is rebounding. 

Davis wouldn't ask for a trade until after this season.  That would leave Drummond with 2 years plus a player option.  Just like Davis would have.   

Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2017, 07:44:54 AM »

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It is hard for me to quantify Drummonds market worth.
 
I mean he is nimble, a beast physically, still fairly young, but on the other hand, a guy like Baynes can be more useful as he doesn't possess a critical weakness (FTs) like Drummond does.

Team             2017-18            2018-19            2019-20            2020-21 (P.O.)
Det Pistons   $23,775,506   $25,434,263     $27,093,019      $28,751,775
 
Is he a positive,  0-worth or negative asset?
Positive, but I wouldn't spend any more than the Lakers pick on him.

Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2017, 08:30:07 AM »

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It is hard for me to quantify Drummonds market worth.
 
I mean he is nimble, a beast physically, still fairly young, but on the other hand, a guy like Baynes can be more useful as he doesn't possess a critical weakness (FTs) like Drummond does.

Team             2017-18            2018-19            2019-20            2020-21 (P.O.)
Det Pistons   $23,775,506   $25,434,263     $27,093,019      $28,751,775
 
Is he a positive,  0-worth or negative asset?
Positive, but I wouldn't spend any more than the Lakers pick on him.
I currently view him as a slight negative, but it fluctuates.

MINUS
- It is a big contract to justify
- He is a center but doesn't defend as much as u need
- Has critical weakness that takes him out of the floor
PLUS
+ Last 4 years combined, he leads the league in Reb%
+ He provides a great lob target
+ Still, just turned 24, there is some room to grow
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Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2017, 08:49:01 AM »

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I don't think he is coming here, folks.   I would love it, you would love it but what is it going to take a load of picks, Big AL and probably Tatum or Brown or both.

Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2017, 06:33:42 PM »

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I know this won't happen like this...it never does but this is a logical hypothesis.

I think the Pelicans will be eliminated from the playoffs picture very early given the depth in the West, which will lead to a panicking GM trading away Cousins for pennies on the dollar. IF and this is a big if, Davis publicly asked to be traded (or it's leaked) this will automatically deflate his value as we have seen from George, Butler and Irving.

Trade Proposal:

Pelicans receive: Drummond, Tatum, Rozier, Yabusele, Lakers pick, Clippers pick, Memphis pick
Celtics receive: Davis, Asik
Pistons receive: Horford

Pelicans benefits are:

- Drummond is top level forward to replace Davis that is locked into a long term contract
- Tatum could be a franchise level player in time
- Cap relief from Boston taking Asik's terrible contract
- Rozier is a quality starter still on rookie deal
- Multiple top level picks that could be packaged or for several shots at another franchise star
- Ability to compete while rebuilding

Detroit benefits are:

- Insiders have reported that Detroit is done with Drummond and has him on the block, under Van Gundy they still want to compete and Horford would make a fantastic replacement and mentor for young team.
- Horford is locked down long term and is from the Michigan area


Thoughts?


Interesting. Hard part is finding that 3rd Team. I don't know if Detriot is it? Wouldn't Drummund Cousins play same position?

Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2017, 06:50:06 PM »

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Hate it. I hate any trade that gives up all of our young players. If we can't draft and develop some young stars, we don't deserve another title.

Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2017, 07:31:19 PM »

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This would be quite an accomplishment even for the woefully mismanaged Pelicans, losing two of the NBA's elite big men in the primes of their careers basically in the same season.

Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2017, 08:03:19 PM »

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I highly doubt the Pelicans would be willing to take on Drummond.
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Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2017, 08:26:22 PM »

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If I were the Pelicans, I would laugh at this and hang up the phone. 

Don't get me wrong, that is a 'decent' package of quality assets coming back - but Anthony Davis is a young franchise player who hasn't even reached his prime yet, who remains under contract for some time. 

If I'm the Pelican's GM I would not hear out a single call about AD unless it starts with the Pelicans receiving either a superstar player or a top 3 pick.   Any trade offer from Boston for AD would have to start with either Kyrie / Hayward and the Lakers pick at a minimum.  Anything less and I'd be saying "forget it".  And as much as I like Davis, I wouldn't give up Kyrie or Hayward AND the Lakers pick for him.  Ainge has already given up the majority of this teams depth, cap space and future picks in order to get the team to where it is right now.  At this point the roster feels almost like a skeleton staff, and if we want any hope of making the ECF I really don't think we can afford to lose any more players.

I'd be willing to offer up Horford and the Lakers pick if it could get us back a young (< 28) star bit man who can grow with Kyrie and Hayward, as I just don't feel Horford its in with the rest of the roster in that regard...but I doubt those two guys would get us back an player of AD's calibre. 

Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2017, 08:24:36 AM »

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heard them talking on ESPN this morning about Love and BKN for Anthony Davis as an actual rumor.  It is probably a nonsense rumor but it was an interesting thing to ponder.
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Re: Anthony Davis trade scenario
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2017, 09:29:47 AM »

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Embedded in this big trade is a small trade of Horford for Drummond.  I don't think there is any realistic trade for Davis so I kind of glassed over on the rest of it but would trading Horford for Drummond be a good trade (fair value)?

I am OK with trading Horford in the right deal (he doesn't fit our timeline very well) but I don't think I would trade him straight up for Drummond.  Drummond has value but guys like him (who can't shoot free throws or otherwise) tend to slow things down or make it easier to play team defense schemes against you.