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Should Cavs fans regard Kyrie as a "traitor" / "Judas"?
« on: September 01, 2017, 07:57:57 PM »

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Should fans focus on Kyrie's leaving, or remember him for helping them to a championship?

I can't help but compare him to Ray Allen:

* Both helped their team to a title;

* Both left their team for a primary conference rival;

* Both took less money than they could have;

* Neither communicated with their teammates before leaving town.

So, is he "Benedict Kyrie" there?  And if so, does that fan base come across as a little ungrateful?


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Re: Should Cavs fans regard Kyrie as a "traitor" / "Judas"?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2017, 08:04:01 PM »

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If I were a Cavs fan, I certainly would, but still not as bad as Ray, since Kyrie didn't specifically request us.

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2017, 08:14:37 PM »

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The difference is Kyrie was traded and for a good haul. Ray left as a free agent for less money to a rival. They could have traded Kyrie to the Knicks but they traded him to a rival that wasn't even on his list of 4 teams.


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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2017, 08:15:01 PM »

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Very different environment and scenarios. Kyrie played his role to please The Queen, while Ray had brotherly bond with the Celtics, only to spite them because of Danny Ainge. Ray was on denial and was on a huge decline. While Kyrie still have potential and wants to be on a team that will maximize it. Celtics just happened to grab him, not his exact choice. Ray left on his own accord to join the team that beat them in the playoffs. Kyrie on the other hand, joined a team that they beat, even if it wasn't in his own will.

Let's not forget Lebron is the last person who should complain about Kyrie leaving him. Now he's having a taste of his own medicine. Kyrie was on a terrible organization and Ray was in the opposite.

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2017, 08:15:13 PM »

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Should fans focus on Kyrie's leaving, or remember him for helping them to a championship?

I can't help but compare him to Ray Allen:

* Both helped their team to a title;

* Both left their team for a primary conference rival;

* Both took less money than they could have;

* Neither communicated with their teammates before leaving town.

So, is he "Benedict Kyrie" there?  And if so, does that fan base come across as a little ungrateful?

Valid points.  I can't speak for the entire Cavs fanbase, but I was talking to one of my friends from Cleveland and it appears to be nothing but love for Kyrie according to him.  He also made it seem like every Boston fan was burning IT's jersey after the trade, which I had to correct him on.

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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2017, 08:21:23 PM »

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Some Celtics fans would probably feel differently about Ray's departure if it netted us his replacement, a starter, and a lottery pick because he told management he wanted.

The best way to get your answer though would probably be to go ask a Cavs fan.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2017, 08:21:31 PM »

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The difference is Kyrie was traded and for a good haul. Ray left as a free agent for less money to a rival. They could have traded Kyrie to the Knicks but they traded him to a rival that wasn't even on his list of 4 teams.

Right:  Kyrie was under contract, Ray was free to pick his next franchise.  Kyrie refused to honor his deal.

I'm not sure that makes Kyrie's situation more noble.

I think forcing a trade by threatening to not play / show up for training camp is inherently worse than leaving as a free agent.  That's distinct from just alerting your team in advance that you're going to leave in free agency (without demanding a trade, but not opposing one, either), which might be the most respectful way to depart.


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Re: Should Cavs fans regard Kyrie as a "traitor" / "Judas"?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2017, 08:39:12 PM »

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Kyrie is a traitor for requesting a trade at all.

Ray Allen's sin wasn't leaving as a free-agent, is how he left and to whom HE DECIDED to play for.

Yes, both are traitors to their previous organization, but for different reasons.

Ray Allen is more akin to what Kevin Durant did.

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2017, 08:45:10 PM »

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Heck yes. Absolutely.

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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2017, 08:53:47 PM »

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There is no such thing as loyalty. Kyrie should be remembered for hitting the greatest shot in Cavs history.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2017, 09:33:22 PM »

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I don't see it. The dude was traded for a good haul. If we traded Ray Allen to the Heat for a decent package, I don't think the fan base would be as vocal against him. Ray Allen chose the Heat, the same way KD chose the Warriors. In Kyrie's case, Cleveland FO chose Boston.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2017, 09:33:30 PM »

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Some Celtics fans would probably feel differently about Ray's departure if it netted us his replacement, a starter, and a lottery pick because he told management he wanted.

The best way to get your answer though would probably be to go ask a Cavs fan.

Yeah, TP - I agree that there are some parallels, but the fact that Kyrie didn't leave Cleveland high and dry (not that he had a choice) is a humongous difference.

I would absolutely understand if Cavs fans no longer liked Kyrie - many probably think he deserted the city and the team, but they still have a great chance to win this year and are getting a great head start at a rebuild.

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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2017, 09:49:47 PM »

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Some Celtics fans would probably feel differently about Ray's departure if it netted us his replacement, a starter, and a lottery pick because he told management he wanted.

The best way to get your answer though would probably be to go ask a Cavs fan.

Yeah, TP - I agree that there are some parallels, but the fact that Kyrie didn't leave Cleveland high and dry (not that he had a choice) is a humongous difference.

I would absolutely understand if Cavs fans no longer liked Kyrie - many probably think he deserted the city and the team, but they still have a great chance to win this year and are getting a great head start at a rebuild.
Exactly. Big difference, but would still understand if they were mad.
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2017, 10:29:44 PM »

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Kyrie did not go to a team that beat them (AKA Warriors).
Kyrie was traded and at least helped brought some pieces back to Cleveland
Ray went to a team that beat him (AKA Heat).
Ray took less money and joined a rival (AKA Heat).
Ray left as a free agent.

That's the difference between them.


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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2017, 10:31:45 PM »

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There is no doubt he's gonna get boo'd like crazy instead of cheered.

And I don't blame them. He didn't want to play for the city of Cleveland any more, and there are many questions about his attitude in the months leading up to his public trade request.

He didn't leave them high and dry like someone leaving via free agency, because it's clear when teams like Cleveland (in 2010), OKC, Utah, etc. lose players like LeBron, Durant, Hayward for nothing in return, it really hurts the future of the franchise.
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