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Initial Reaction: Grade The Trade!

A+
40 (21.2%)
A / A-
37 (19.6%)
B+
28 (14.8%)
B / B-
24 (12.7%)
C+
9 (4.8%)
C / C-
15 (7.9%)
D+
6 (3.2%)
D / D-
6 (3.2%)
F
9 (4.8%)
Incomplete (I Just Can't Give It A Grade Yet)
15 (7.9%)

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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2017, 07:51:08 PM »

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Dang you hate it worse than me. LOL. Any reasons?

Because one realistic outcome is that we sacrificed Crowder, Zizic and Porter/Bagley for a lateral move.
we still have a lotto pick though. The Lakers have a significantly harder  schedule than the nets. We may have parted with what was going to be a worse pick

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2017, 07:51:38 PM »

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Irving , Morris , Hayward .> IT , AB , Crowder

Sure. And IT, Hayward, Crowder, Zizic, BRK 18 > Irving + Hayward



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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2017, 08:01:47 PM »

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Amazingly spread out grades, from A+ to F.
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2017, 08:05:28 PM »

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I give it a B because I definitely think Kyrie is an upgrade and I am already relieved about not having to think about what the C's will do with IT.  Paying a 29 yo 5'8" PG 30Million was not something I was going to be happy with and losing him for nothing was not a great thought either.   I hate losing the pick, but happier losing the pick than losing Tatum.

I REALLY am looking forward to hearing about the Brown-Irving debates about the Earth's shape and rotation.  That alone might push me to a B+.

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2017, 08:07:55 PM »

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So glad we got rid of IT.
Giving him a max contract would have been a disaster.
And here is what Irving did to us in the playoffs...
62% from the field, 50% from the three, and 90% from the line.
I can hardly wait to see Irving, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, and Horford together.

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2017, 08:10:40 PM »

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Irving , Morris , Hayward .> IT , AB , Crowder

Sure. And IT, Hayward, Crowder, Zizic, BRK 18 > Irving + Hayward
Don't agree. I think Crowder was notably worthless to our team due to the fact that his position was redundant. We should have and might have been able to get a bit more in terms of return, but this trade is just not that bad.

Also, just so that we know what we were bidding against:

Milwaukee supposedly offered Brogdon, Middleton, and a 1st.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2017, 08:16:09 PM by kozlodoev »
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2017, 08:16:14 PM »

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I think people should view this trade like they viewed the AB trade. It's not exactly a swap for just raw talent, there were salary cap implications taken into consideration. Crowder and Zizic were salary filler as far as I'm concerned. Zicic won't be an integral part of a Celtics or Cavs title run, and this team has Tatum, Brown, Nader, Semi, etc. who can all fill the role of Jae Crowder. (And we all want to see the young guys develop).

The 2018 pick is compensation for the Cavs taking back a player that's injured, older, and expiring. The C's cashed in on 3 of the 4 Nets picks. Young, Brown and Tatum were drafted, and the last one was used to acquire a 25 year old 4x All-Star widely revered as a top 10 PG, arguably top 3 in the East, with a championship under his belt.

This trade was good for both sides.

Edit: Gave it a B

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2017, 08:18:32 PM »

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Getting a D+ from me. A bad trade where we gave up too much, but an F implies we got nothing good back in return, which is incorrect.


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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2017, 08:18:50 PM »

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We get superstar and people give an F? Unbelievable. That nets pick could be a Bennett type flop. IT wasn't going to get a max from us

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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2017, 08:20:07 PM »

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And here is what Irving did to us in the playoffs...
62% from the field, 50% from the three, and 90% from the line.

So we add Irving, who in some areas had worse defensive numbers than Isaiah, so another guard can do that to us all over again?


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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2017, 08:21:24 PM »

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We get superstar and people give an F? Unbelievable. That nets pick could be a Bennett type flop. IT wasn't going to get a max from us
The Nets pick could also be #6 or thereabout. And Thomas might miss half of the season with his hip issue. But people don't really see the question marks.
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2017, 08:27:21 PM »

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We get superstar and people give an F? Unbelievable. That nets pick could be a Bennett type flop. IT wasn't going to get a max from us
The Nets pick could also be #6 or thereabout. And Thomas might miss half of the season with his hip issue. But people don't really see the question marks.
exactly. The nets have the 7th hardest strength of schedule. Its hard but not top 5 hardest. Pick 6 through 10 are not out of the question for the nets

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2017, 08:29:10 PM »

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It's the least exciting answer possible but I have to give it an incomplete. Too many question marks, mainly IT's hip, what Brad gets out of Kyrie, where the BRK pick winds up and who we could've gotten there. 

But overall, I understand the logic but am modestly pessimistic about it. I think Danny gave up so much precisely because Kyrie over IT made so much sense on paper. But I don't feel like we were in a bidding war with anyone, I feel like we just basically met their price, which is frustrating. IT or the BRK pick makes sense, Crowder on top is tough but understandable, but both and throwing in Zizic to boot - leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Still, gonna be an exciting year! Counterfactuals all around!!

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2017, 08:36:29 PM »

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If the Brooklyn pick wasn't included, I would have gave a B+. If it was the Lakers/Kings pick, a B-. Any other pick (or none at all) would get a B+.

But to include that pick was crazy. C is my grade. Yeah we may have gotten the best player, but we sure gave up a ton of value for him.
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« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2017, 08:46:32 PM »

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Irving , Morris , Hayward .> IT , AB , Crowder

Sure. And IT, Hayward, Crowder, Zizic, BRK 18 > Irving + Hayward

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