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Should Celtics Take A knee opening night?

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No
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Voting closed: October 25, 2017, 09:16:01 AM

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Re: Not to get Political...Just asking...Should Celtics Take a knee
« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2017, 02:22:02 PM »

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Could President Trump look into repealing the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961? If so, the owners would change their stance real fast, and demand their players to stand.

Trump can't undo the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961.  You're going to have to find another way to threaten people into giving away their 1st amendment rights.

Re: Not to get Political...Just asking...Should Celtics Take a knee
« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2017, 02:24:55 PM »

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Could President Trump look into repealing the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961? If so, the owners would change their stance real fast, and demand their players to stand.

Trump can't undo the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961.  You're going to have to find another way to threaten people into giving away their 1st amendment rights.
that wouldn't do anything except destroy small market teams anyway. 
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Re: Not to get Political...Just asking...Should Celtics Take a knee
« Reply #77 on: September 25, 2017, 02:28:21 PM »

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Could President Trump look into repealing the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961? If so, the owners would change their stance real fast, and demand their players to stand.

Explicit legislative extortion for private organizations to mandate specific restrictions on free speech will...not go over well in the courts. Congress isn't exactly going to be in a hurry to tag along either.

Re: Not to get Political...Just asking...Should Celtics Take a knee
« Reply #78 on: September 25, 2017, 02:56:22 PM »

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Personally, standing or kneeling is free speech as I see it.  I'd prefer that all stand for the anthem but if they choose not to, that's their right.

It's not their "right" to do it at work. The First Amendment doesn't apply to private employers.

The NFL probably won't discipline them, but they absolutely can.
I see professional sports, specifically athletes, as a far more fuzzy ground on which to make that claim. 

The 'protesters' aren't committing crimes, aren't bad-mouthing the employer, aren't bad-mouthing the product, aren't making overt efforts to call attention to their behavior, aren't negatively impacting their job performance.

in the relatively few instances where I've worked with people disciplined by a company I've worked for, those are the typical grounds when a company has taken action relative to behavior on company time.

NFL won't take any action.  I would suspect that in the remote chance they did single out the players who took a knee (and/or didn't come out for the anthem) for discipline the players union would fight it tooth and nail possibly even to the point of a player strike for a week or more to show unity/solidarity.

What is "fuzzy"?  The NFL is a private employer. They're not a government actor.  As far as the First Amendment is concerned, they can restrict speech at work, period.

There's even an official rule:

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The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition… …It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

You are right, Roy! The NFL is a private employer, which makes Trump guilty of a federal crime  ::)

"President Trump’s recent remarks suggesting NFL team owners should fire players who kneel during the national anthem could be a federal crime.

18 U.S. Code § 227 stipulates that any federal employee, member of Congress, or member of the executive branch is forbidden from using their position within the federal government to influence the employment decisions of a private business, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation. The penalty for doing so could result in fines and incarceration of up to 15 years, and anyone who is found guilty of violating that law could even be disqualified from holding office:

(a)Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—

(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or

(2) influences or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honour, trust, or profit under the United States.

It’s worth noting that U.S. Code specifies that no federal employee is exempt from the law, including the President of the United States."

That's nothing but propaganda for the liberal base. That statute doesn't apply.


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