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ALT right rallies
« on: August 18, 2017, 10:20:37 PM »

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Looks like one coming to Boston soon. 

With Bannon out, now ready to "rev up" Brietbart, how is that going to go?

Lets keep the conversation going. 

Dynamic times we all are living through at the moment

Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2017, 10:22:28 PM »

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I know it may not happen, but I hope this protest is peaceful.

Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2017, 10:41:36 PM »

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Looks like one coming to Boston soon. 

With Bannon out, now ready to "rev up" Brietbart, how is that going to go?

Lets keep the conversation going. 

Dynamic times we all are living through at the moment


Dynamic or ****ty?

Fair.   

I can't imagine hate speech going over well in such a blue state. 

But at least MA is a non open-carry state. 

I just don't get how these nazi groups are getting so much sympathy from seemingly level headed folks. 


Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2017, 11:12:28 PM »

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Last I heard, the rally was cancelled.  Can anyone confirm that it is still a go?
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2017, 11:51:01 PM »

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Last I heard, the rally was cancelled.  Can anyone confirm that it is still a go?

well i just left the commons area and there're a couple news trucks, looks like they are getting ready to cover something, although it could be cancelled 

Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2017, 01:21:17 AM »

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Looks like one coming to Boston soon. 

With Bannon out, now ready to "rev up" Brietbart, how is that going to go?

Lets keep the conversation going. 

Dynamic times we all are living through at the moment


Dynamic or ****ty?

Fair.   

I can't imagine hate speech going over well in such a blue state. 

But at least MA is a non open-carry state. 

I just don't get how these nazi groups are getting so much sympathy from seemingly level headed folks.
What level headed folks are sympathizing with them? 

Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2017, 10:19:28 AM »

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I posted this in the president Trump thread before it was locked

KKK members from the springfield,ma area are planning on attending the free speech rally in Boston tomorrow.  They have nothing to do with organizing the rally, or speaking at it.

Here is a statement from the people organizing the rally

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This Free Speech Movement is dedicated to peaceful rallies and are in no way affiliated with the Charlottesville rally on 8/12/17

While we maintain that every individual is entitled to their freedom of speech and defend that basic human right, we will not be offering our platform to racism or bigotry. We denounce the politics of supremacy and violence. We denounce the actions, activities, and tactics of the so-called Antifa movement. We denounce the normalization of political violence.

We are witnessing an unprecedented move towards sweeping censorship that undermines our democratic system. We are witnessing increasingly regular incidents of political violence being used to silence political opponents. We are witnessing our social media and online communities purging both progressive and conservative content from their networks. We oppose all instances of censorship. We believe that the way to defeat and disarm toxic ideas and ideologies is through dialogue and reason, and that attempting to silence any voice by force of mob or force of law only empowers the radical elements of society and divides us.

There is a lot of misinformation in the media slandering our name by likening our organization to those that ran the Charlottesville rally. THIS COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH! “I can tell you the march we had in May…That group pulled a permit, they worked very well with us” as stated by Boston Police Commissioner William Evans in a press conference Monday (8/14/17)

We are a coalition of libertarians, progressives, conservatives, and independents and we welcome all individuals and organizations from any political affiliations that are willing to peaceably engage in open dialogue about the threats to, and importance of, free speech and civil liberties. Join us at the Parkman Bandstand where we will be holding our event. We look forward to this tide-changing peaceful event that has the potential to be a shining example of how we, in the city of Boston, can come together for the common goal of preserving freedom of speech for all and respectfully discussing our differences of opinion without engaging in violence.

#BostonFreeSpeech

Now let me ask you, if the KKK members are going there to highjack the rally and provoke violence, will all the other people that are there for a free speech be labeled racists or Nazi/KKK sympathizers?

Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2017, 11:18:43 AM »

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Free speech is something we should all embrace.

Similarly, condemning the speech and actions of hateful and violent bigots is something we should all do.

I'd love to see a joint rally based on those principles. It's one thing that liberals and conservatives should be able to agree upon.


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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2017, 11:33:15 AM »

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Free speech is something we should all embrace.

Similarly, condemning the speech and actions of hateful and violent bigots is something we should all do.

I'd love to see a joint rally based on those principles. It's one thing that liberals and conservatives should be able to agree upon.

Completely agree, and can't stand when people think they have a right to prevent someone from legally protesting because they dislike the message.  I'm also uneasy at social media identifying protesters and then demanding that their company's fire them.

Years ago I used to work for an old-school sales manager whose only book he recommended was Trump's "Art of the Deal," so I read it and could not have been more underwhelmed.  Needless to say that manager and I were very different people with very different views.  Had I participated in an anti-war protest he surely wouldn't have been happy, but given the direction this country is headed... could he have used that as an excuse to fire me? 

I'm of the general belief that if someone is willing to post hate signs in their yard, or participate in a hateful protest, that the best thing to do is highlight their absurdity and make a comedy of it.  The KKK was brought down by this very tactic.  The very worst thing to do is to Ban these people from expressing their views.

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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2017, 11:40:42 AM »

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Antifa scum are there in large numbers with masked faces.

This is going to get ugly I think.

Why do you need to cover your face if you plan on protesting peacefully?

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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2017, 11:46:04 AM »

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Free speech is something we should all embrace.

Similarly, condemning the speech and actions of hateful and violent bigots is something we should all do.

I'd love to see a joint rally based on those principles. It's one thing that liberals and conservatives should be able to agree upon.

Completely agree, and can't stand when people think they have a right to prevent someone from legally protesting because they dislike the message.  I'm also uneasy at social media identifying protesters and then demanding that their company's fire them.

Years ago I used to work for an old-school sales manager whose only book he recommended was Trump's "Art of the Deal," so I read it and could not have been more underwhelmed.  Needless to say that manager and I were very different people with very different views.  Had I participated in an anti-war protest he surely wouldn't have been happy, but given the direction this country is headed... could he have used that as an excuse to fire me? 

I'm of the general belief that if someone is willing to post hate signs in their yard, or participate in a hateful protest, that the best thing to do is highlight their absurdity and make a comedy of it.  The KKK was brought down by this very tactic.  The very worst thing to do is to Ban these people from expressing their views.
TP to the both of you.

The best way to get these ridiculous people with ridiculous ideas to be rejected is to let them speak, and then to shoot them down by combating their ideas, not coercing them into silence. Through using force in an attempt to silence them, they are just given more support, and can fear-monger very effectively.

Violent suppression of speech is very big no.
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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2017, 12:30:22 PM »

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Free speech is something we should all embrace.

Similarly, condemning the speech and actions of hateful and violent bigots is something we should all do.

I'd love to see a joint rally based on those principles. It's one thing that liberals and conservatives should be able to agree upon.

Completely agree, and can't stand when people think they have a right to prevent someone from legally protesting because they dislike the message.  I'm also uneasy at social media identifying protesters and then demanding that their company's fire them.

Years ago I used to work for an old-school sales manager whose only book he recommended was Trump's "Art of the Deal," so I read it and could not have been more underwhelmed.  Needless to say that manager and I were very different people with very different views.  Had I participated in an anti-war protest he surely wouldn't have been happy, but given the direction this country is headed... could he have used that as an excuse to fire me? 

I'm of the general belief that if someone is willing to post hate signs in their yard, or participate in a hateful protest, that the best thing to do is highlight their absurdity and make a comedy of it.  The KKK was brought down by this very tactic.  The very worst thing to do is to Ban these people from expressing their views.
TP to the both of you.

The best way to get these ridiculous people with ridiculous ideas to be rejected is to let them speak, and then to shoot them down by combating their ideas, not coercing them into silence. Through using force in an attempt to silence them, they are just given more support, and can fear-monger very effectively.

Violent suppression of speech is very big no.
Unfortunately peaceful discussion of ideas, moderation and tolerance aren't sexy or exciting.  Extremism draws attention.  Most of the media coverage of the Boston rally is rehash of the Charlottesville violence and anticipation of more violence.   

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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2017, 03:51:08 PM »

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I was worried about the Boston rally, but it seems like things there were by and large peaceful, and thankfully no major incidents.
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2017, 04:45:55 PM »

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Speech suppression through violence:

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An estimated 15,000 counterprotesters marched through the city to historic Boston Common, where many gathered near a bandstand abandoned early by conservatives who had planned to deliver a series of speeches. Police vans later escorted the conservatives out of the area, and angry counterprotesters scuffled with armed officers trying to maintain order.

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TV cameras showed a group of boisterous counterprotesters on the Common chasing a man with a Trump campaign banner and cap, shouting and swearing at him. ... Black-clad counterprotesters also grabbed an American flag out of an elderly woman's hands, and she stumbled and fell to the ground.

Why are counter-protestors "boisterous" rather than "unruly"? Why is a conservative woman who is assaulted said to have "stumbled", rather than having been knocked down?

I hate Trump. I hate racists and violence. And I hate when the media paints a sympathetic picture of certain violent assailants.
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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2017, 04:51:33 PM »

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Speech suppression through violence:

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An estimated 15,000 counterprotesters marched through the city to historic Boston Common, where many gathered near a bandstand abandoned early by conservatives who had planned to deliver a series of speeches. Police vans later escorted the conservatives out of the area, and angry counterprotesters scuffled with armed officers trying to maintain order.

Absolutely , they are killing free speech in this country

Boston police comishioner William Evans was just asked, how come people that were going to speak at the rally were not let into the common area?

Answer: I'm not gonna listen to people who talk about hate here, we didn't want them here so they didn't get in


What an f'n  joke.

This is very bad

And this is why I made posts about Google and Facebook, Twitter

They are a monopoly and are trying to surpress any opposing view.