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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2017, 05:00:59 PM »

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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2017, 05:05:03 PM »

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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2017, 05:07:50 PM »

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#BPD is asking individuals to refrain from throwing urine, bottles and other harmful projectiles at our officers.

Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2017, 05:19:38 PM »

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An estimated 15,000 counterprotesters marched through the city to historic Boston Common, where many gathered near a bandstand abandoned early by conservatives who had planned to deliver a series of speeches. Police vans later escorted the conservatives out of the area, and angry counterprotesters scuffled with armed officers trying to maintain order.

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TV cameras showed a group of boisterous counterprotesters on the Common chasing a man with a Trump campaign banner and cap, shouting and swearing at him. ... Black-clad counterprotesters also grabbed an American flag out of an elderly woman's hands, and she stumbled and fell to the ground.

Why are counter-protestors "boisterous" rather than "unruly"? Why is a conservative woman who is assaulted said to have "stumbled", rather than having been knocked down?

I hate Trump. I hate racists and violence. And I hate when the media paints a sympathetic picture of certain violent assailants.
Roy have you seen the video of the woman stumbling? She wasn't knocked down, she tripped.

The difference between boisterous and unruly is probably just semantics, but it could also be that there wasn't violence at this rally.

It could also be that people waving nazi flags, throwing up the seig heil and making anti semitic chants don't get the same benefit of the doubt as counter protesters. Personally I don't believe that people who chant "Jews won't replace us" deserve the same benefit of the doubt as people who chant about equality.

On an opposite note, shame on the people throwing things at the cops. It is honorable for the cops to protect everyone regardless of who they were. If the situation was reversed people would applaud cops for protecting minorities from white supremacists and they should applaud the police officers for doing their jobs in this case too.

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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2017, 05:22:48 PM »

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#BPD is asking individuals to refrain from throwing urine, bottles and other harmful projectiles at our officers.

It's is an absolute joke that this has to be "asked".
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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2017, 05:24:40 PM »

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An estimated 15,000 counterprotesters marched through the city to historic Boston Common, where many gathered near a bandstand abandoned early by conservatives who had planned to deliver a series of speeches. Police vans later escorted the conservatives out of the area, and angry counterprotesters scuffled with armed officers trying to maintain order.

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TV cameras showed a group of boisterous counterprotesters on the Common chasing a man with a Trump campaign banner and cap, shouting and swearing at him. ... Black-clad counterprotesters also grabbed an American flag out of an elderly woman's hands, and she stumbled and fell to the ground.

Why are counter-protestors "boisterous" rather than "unruly"? Why is a conservative woman who is assaulted said to have "stumbled", rather than having been knocked down?

I hate Trump. I hate racists and violence. And I hate when the media paints a sympathetic picture of certain violent assailants.
Roy have you seen the video of the woman stumbling? She wasn't knocked down, she tripped.

The difference between boisterous and unruly is probably just semantics, but it could also be that there wasn't violence at this rally.

It could also be that people waving nazi flags, throwing up the seig heil and making anti semitic chants don't get the same benefit of the doubt as counter protesters. Personally I don't believe that people who chant "Jews won't replace us" deserve the same benefit of the doubt as people who chant about equality.

No actually the Antifa POS threw a punch back at her flag, then tried to run off with it , and while she was trying to protect her property and hold onto it she fell because the guy was pulling it.

This is what they were protesting.....

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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2017, 05:26:24 PM »

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Free speech is something we should all embrace.

Similarly, condemning the speech and actions of hateful and violent bigots is something we should all do.

I'd love to see a joint rally based on those principles. It's one thing that liberals and conservatives should be able to agree upon.

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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2017, 05:29:53 PM »

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Speech suppression through violence:

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An estimated 15,000 counterprotesters marched through the city to historic Boston Common, where many gathered near a bandstand abandoned early by conservatives who had planned to deliver a series of speeches. Police vans later escorted the conservatives out of the area, and angry counterprotesters scuffled with armed officers trying to maintain order.

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TV cameras showed a group of boisterous counterprotesters on the Common chasing a man with a Trump campaign banner and cap, shouting and swearing at him. ... Black-clad counterprotesters also grabbed an American flag out of an elderly woman's hands, and she stumbled and fell to the ground.

Why are counter-protestors "boisterous" rather than "unruly"? Why is a conservative woman who is assaulted said to have "stumbled", rather than having been knocked down?

I hate Trump. I hate racists and violence. And I hate when the media paints a sympathetic picture of certain violent assailants.
Roy have you seen the video of the woman stumbling? She wasn't knocked down, she tripped.

The difference between boisterous and unruly is probably just semantics, but it could also be that there wasn't violence at this rally.

It could also be that people waving nazi flags, throwing up the seig heil and making anti semitic chants don't get the same benefit of the doubt as counter protesters. Personally I don't believe that people who chant "Jews won't replace us" deserve the same benefit of the doubt as people who chant about equality.

Why are we giving benefit of the doubt to violent people attacking peaceful demonstrators? Or worse, people attacking cops?  Call them what they are: criminals.

See, that's the dichotomy that has strategically and intentionally been set up: since white supremacists are terrible, whoever is on the other side must not be. It's a binary choice and that's nonsense.

Why aren't we debating peace vs. violence? Free speech vs. censorship? Instead, the media is pushing the racists vs. freedom fighters narrative, which is ridiculous.

Every serious, non-radical person in America condemns Nazis and the KKK. At the same time, many of those same people are uncomfortable with fundamental rights being squashed.  We should be able to combat both at the same time. Trust me, most "Tea Partiers" and other conservatives want nothing to do with white supremacists.



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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2017, 05:31:41 PM »

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Please stop with the masked profanity / allusions to profanity.


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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2017, 05:37:36 PM »

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Please stop with the masked profanity / allusions to profanity.

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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2017, 07:20:05 PM »

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Speech suppression through violence:

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An estimated 15,000 counterprotesters marched through the city to historic Boston Common, where many gathered near a bandstand abandoned early by conservatives who had planned to deliver a series of speeches. Police vans later escorted the conservatives out of the area, and angry counterprotesters scuffled with armed officers trying to maintain order.

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TV cameras showed a group of boisterous counterprotesters on the Common chasing a man with a Trump campaign banner and cap, shouting and swearing at him. ... Black-clad counterprotesters also grabbed an American flag out of an elderly woman's hands, and she stumbled and fell to the ground.

Why are counter-protestors "boisterous" rather than "unruly"? Why is a conservative woman who is assaulted said to have "stumbled", rather than having been knocked down?

I hate Trump. I hate racists and violence. And I hate when the media paints a sympathetic picture of certain violent assailants.
Roy have you seen the video of the woman stumbling? She wasn't knocked down, she tripped.

The difference between boisterous and unruly is probably just semantics, but it could also be that there wasn't violence at this rally.

It could also be that people waving nazi flags, throwing up the seig heil and making anti semitic chants don't get the same benefit of the doubt as counter protesters. Personally I don't believe that people who chant "Jews won't replace us" deserve the same benefit of the doubt as people who chant about equality.

Why are we giving benefit of the doubt to violent people attacking peaceful demonstrators? Or worse, people attacking cops?  Call them what they are: criminals.

See, that's the dichotomy that has strategically and intentionally been set up: since white supremacists are terrible, whoever is on the other side must not be. It's a binary choice and that's nonsense.

Why aren't we debating peace vs. violence? Free speech vs. censorship? Instead, the media is pushing the racists vs. freedom fighters narrative, which is ridiculous.

Every serious, non-radical person in America condemns Nazis and the KKK. At the same time, many of those same people are uncomfortable with fundamental rights being squashed.  We should be able to combat both at the same time. Trust me, most "Tea Partiers" and other conservatives want nothing to do with white supremacists.
It's also binary thinking to compare the people protesting the free speech rally to those that used bats to beat people and cars to run over people in Charlottesville. The magnitude of violence wasnt in the same stratosphere which is why the two events shouldn't be reported the same.

I do agree that the push to paint all conservatives as racist is troubling. Stuff like that promotes further tribalism and is bad for the country. Most Republicans denounced the white supremacists that matched in Charlottesville. However I think conservatives who defend those that would March with the kkk and nazi flags should be vilified (but not lumped with most conservatives).

The argument that both sides are to blame by trump was upsetting, when one side was spewing hate and waving nazi flags. His reaction to that event spurred what happened today. If not for Charlottesville and his reaction to its extremely unlikely we are discussing a counterprotest in Boston today.

Roy I'd like to have a conversation about free speech with you via pm if you have time in the future.
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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2017, 07:26:02 PM »

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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2017, 07:43:48 PM »

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Speech suppression through violence:

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An estimated 15,000 counterprotesters marched through the city to historic Boston Common, where many gathered near a bandstand abandoned early by conservatives who had planned to deliver a series of speeches. Police vans later escorted the conservatives out of the area, and angry counterprotesters scuffled with armed officers trying to maintain order.

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TV cameras showed a group of boisterous counterprotesters on the Common chasing a man with a Trump campaign banner and cap, shouting and swearing at him. ... Black-clad counterprotesters also grabbed an American flag out of an elderly woman's hands, and she stumbled and fell to the ground.

Why are counter-protestors "boisterous" rather than "unruly"? Why is a conservative woman who is assaulted said to have "stumbled", rather than having been knocked down?

I hate Trump. I hate racists and violence. And I hate when the media paints a sympathetic picture of certain violent assailants.
Roy have you seen the video of the woman stumbling? She wasn't knocked down, she tripped.

The difference between boisterous and unruly is probably just semantics, but it could also be that there wasn't violence at this rally.

It could also be that people waving nazi flags, throwing up the seig heil and making anti semitic chants don't get the same benefit of the doubt as counter protesters. Personally I don't believe that people who chant "Jews won't replace us" deserve the same benefit of the doubt as people who chant about equality.

Why are we giving benefit of the doubt to violent people attacking peaceful demonstrators? Or worse, people attacking cops?  Call them what they are: criminals.

See, that's the dichotomy that has strategically and intentionally been set up: since white supremacists are terrible, whoever is on the other side must not be. It's a binary choice and that's nonsense.

Why aren't we debating peace vs. violence? Free speech vs. censorship? Instead, the media is pushing the racists vs. freedom fighters narrative, which is ridiculous.

Every serious, non-radical person in America condemns Nazis and the KKK. At the same time, many of those same people are uncomfortable with fundamental rights being squashed.  We should be able to combat both at the same time. Trust me, most "Tea Partiers" and other conservatives want nothing to do with white supremacists.
It's also binary thinking to compare the people protesting the free speech rally to those that used bats to beat people and cars to run over people in Charlottesville. The magnitude of violence wasnt in the same stratosphere which is why the two events shouldn't be reported the same.

I do agree that the push to paint all conservatives as racist is troubling. Stuff like that promotes further tribalism and is bad for the country. Most Republicans denounced the white supremacists that matched in Charlottesville. However I think conservatives who defend those that would March with the kkk and nazi flags should be vilified (but not lumped with most conservatives).

The argument that both sides are to blame by trump was upsetting, when one side was spewing hate and waving nazi flags. His reaction to that event spurred what happened today. If not for Charlottesville and his reaction to its extremely unlikely we are discussing a counterprotest in Boston today.

Roy I'd like to have a conversation about free speech with you via pm if you have time in the future.

I think you sum it up nicely, and I agree.

To put it a little differently, there were a bunch of racists marching in Charlottesville, and they had every intention of creating confrontation and violence. These people should be condemned as evil, and un-American, as so many from all sides of our politcal spectrum have done.

What happened in Boston was, by and large, very different. To begin with, other than a few bad elements it was peaceful counter-protest (and an important point is that it was counter-protest not just to the actual protesters, but to the Charlottesville marchers, if that makes sense). 


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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2017, 07:58:13 PM »

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Antifa scum are there in large numbers with masked faces.

This is the nerd in me, but whenever I read or hear "scum" in this type of context I can't help but think of Mos Eisley spaceport :)
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Re: ALT right rallies
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2017, 09:22:58 PM »

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and it seems that the neo-fascists were simply dwarfed by the anti-fascist turnout, and then tucked their tails between their legs and left.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/boston-crowd-anti-racists-dwarfs-free-speech-rally-170819180115802.html

good turn out to show the right wing that they are not even close to the majority of voices.
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