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Who will be the prospect(s) that will disappoint us?

Jaylen Brown
14 (34.1%)
Jayson Tatum
3 (7.3%)
Marcus Smart
24 (58.5%)

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Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2017, 07:01:33 PM »

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First time I have seen anybody say Jason Tatum will disappoint. I actually think he will end up as a 25/10/3 guy for his career. Danny Ainge stated that Tatum shot better than any prospect he has ever worked out or seen work out. He shoots too good to disappoint. He will be good. The only thing I can't predict or get a good feel for is if he will be more Carmelo Anthony or Paul George. If he can make the game easier for his teammates then he will be a star and if not he will be what Carmelo is now. Productive but hollow production if that makes sense. Jaylen Brown is looking more and more like he is going to be a good NBA player.

Even if Tatum doesnt disappoint and is a multi allstar he will not be a 25/10/3 career guy. Even rounding up there have been 16 all time 25 ppg scorers: kareem, carmelo, rick barry, kobe, wilkins, malone, petit, gervin, oscar, iverson, west, lebron, durant, baylor, wilt, jordan. Thats it. Of them, only kareem, karl, pettit, wilt, and baylor have 10 rpg.

Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2017, 07:05:54 PM »

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Nothing to due with race. Just Jaylen having goals bigger than basketball(very evident in Jaylen African article).

As a black man, I know all about the coded language Jaylen was receiving. So don't play the race card with me.

I'm glad you know all about the coded language. That way you know I didn't play the race card but made [dang] sure it wasn't being played. Because no one is talking about Jeremy Lin being distracted from his NBA game even though he went to Harvard or Ginobli being distracted with speaking 3 languages and being a world ambassador. Of course, just maybe you're not the only person of color here. 

Jaylen does have bigger goals. But he's said nothing about those goals interfering with his preparation for the game. He's also smart enough to know that his best platform for change is to be a star first.
Jaylen Brown will be an All Star in the next 5 years.

Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2017, 07:15:37 PM »

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First time I have seen anybody say Jason Tatum will disappoint. I actually think he will end up as a 25/10/3 guy for his career. Danny Ainge stated that Tatum shot better than any prospect he has ever worked out or seen work out. He shoots too good to disappoint. He will be good. The only thing I can't predict or get a good feel for is if he will be more Carmelo Anthony or Paul George. If he can make the game easier for his teammates then he will be a star and if not he will be what Carmelo is now. Productive but hollow production if that makes sense. Jaylen Brown is looking more and more like he is going to be a good NBA player.

I believe that Jayson Tatum will be a bust in the NBA. He's too slow to take NBA elite defenders off the dribble and he's too weak to post up anyone of significance. He gets Carmelo Anthony comparisons. Anthony has him outweighed by 35 pounds. What 6'8" forwards do you think Tatum at 205 is going to push around? I know that he's young and has a lot of time to fill out, but it's not exactly easy to put on 35 pounds of muscle (Melo weighed 233 in draft combine), and you don't get that much time in the NBA to prove yourself. If you are average for 2-3 years in the NBA, you lose your confidence and teams will begin to pass you around to the next schmuck who wants to believe that Anthony Bennett has the potential of a #1 pick.

Everything you saw in Summer League is the product of him beating up other slow, wimpy college players and D-league players. Let's see him take Kahwi, LeBron, Butler off the dribble. Because if he plans on being anything close to Carmelo Anthony, he's going to need to be able to beat these guys offensively within the next 2-3 years. You remember that Anthony was a stud his rookie year. By the 4th year, he was already an Allstar. I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong. Sorry for the cold water.

Also, are we really going to pay Hayward and IT max money to watch him take turnaround fadeaways from 18 ft away? None of this draft pick makes any sense to me. Josh Jackson was the pick. We had the best player in the draft at #3 and we ****ing blew it.

Definitely Jayson Tatum. Smart has already panned out. There are a lot of teams right now that smart would be their starting pg. the guy may shoot for **** but he's the leader you want and his defense is top tier. Shooting could come later but not crucial for panning out.

Jayson Tatum will be a bust. He has no room in modern NBA, he's too slow/small for ISO on pro level and he has no fit on the Celtics PnR offense. You'll all see soon.



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I kind of share your concerns regarding Tatum. He is skilled alright. He kan make difficult one-legged turnaround shots. Very impressive. But that's also a red flag for me. Why does he have to resort to those difficult shots so often? (check his summer league highlights). I guess part of my scepticism has to do with the fact that I don't like iso ball.

Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2017, 07:22:54 PM »

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Who cares if Tatum takes difficult shots? Does he make them? Yes. The game is to put the ball in the hoop. Tatum can do it in about 40 different ways. Ill take it. If Tatum can be an offensive spark plug off the bench and be a pest defensively, he will be a solid player for our squad. We don't need him to carry our team. Not any time soon

Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2017, 08:22:14 PM »

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First time I have seen anybody say Jason Tatum will disappoint. I actually think he will end up as a 25/10/3 guy for his career. Danny Ainge stated that Tatum shot better than any prospect he has ever worked out or seen work out. He shoots too good to disappoint. He will be good. The only thing I can't predict or get a good feel for is if he will be more Carmelo Anthony or Paul George. If he can make the game easier for his teammates then he will be a star and if not he will be what Carmelo is now. Productive but hollow production if that makes sense. Jaylen Brown is looking more and more like he is going to be a good NBA player.

Even if Tatum doesnt disappoint and is a multi allstar he will not be a 25/10/3 career guy. Even rounding up there have been 16 all time 25 ppg scorers: kareem, carmelo, rick barry, kobe, wilkins, malone, petit, gervin, oscar, iverson, west, lebron, durant, baylor, wilt, jordan. Thats it. Of them, only kareem, karl, pettit, wilt, and baylor have 10 rpg.
I think Tatum is a heck of a player but 25/10/3 stats for his career is just ridiculous. I could definitely see him becoming a 20+ PPG for some years but 25 per game for his career probably means a lot of years around 30 PPG which just isn't happening.

Neither is 10 RPG for his career. He has not shown that ability. I will be happy if he averages 6 for his career and has some years where he gets 8 a game

Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2017, 10:35:00 PM »

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Nothing to due with race. Just Jaylen having goals bigger than basketball(very evident in Jaylen African article).

As a black man, I know all about the coded language Jaylen was receiving. So don't play the race card with me.

I'm glad you know all about the coded language. That way you know I didn't play the race card but made [dang] sure it wasn't being played. Because no one is talking about Jeremy Lin being distracted from his NBA game even though he went to Harvard or Ginobli being distracted with speaking 3 languages and being a world ambassador. Of course, just maybe you're not the only person of color here. 

Jaylen does have bigger goals. But he's said nothing about those goals interfering with his preparation for the game. He's also smart enough to know that his best platform for change is to be a star first.

Man you implied it with your whole "I am going him the benefit of the doubt".

Jaylen haven't said anything directly but he been implying it and giving off vibes that basketball vehicle to his goal. Wouldn't surprise me if Jaylen retired from the NBA when his 28 years old. Just don't Jaylen have  the love for the game that is needed to be great.

Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2017, 11:36:46 PM »

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First time I have seen anybody say Jason Tatum will disappoint. I actually think he will end up as a 25/10/3 guy for his career. Danny Ainge stated that Tatum shot better than any prospect he has ever worked out or seen work out. He shoots too good to disappoint. He will be good. The only thing I can't predict or get a good feel for is if he will be more Carmelo Anthony or Paul George. If he can make the game easier for his teammates then he will be a star and if not he will be what Carmelo is now. Productive but hollow production if that makes sense. Jaylen Brown is looking more and more like he is going to be a good NBA player.

Even if Tatum doesnt disappoint and is a multi allstar he will not be a 25/10/3 career guy. Even rounding up there have been 16 all time 25 ppg scorers: kareem, carmelo, rick barry, kobe, wilkins, malone, petit, gervin, oscar, iverson, west, lebron, durant, baylor, wilt, jordan. Thats it. Of them, only kareem, karl, pettit, wilt, and baylor have 10 rpg.
I think Tatum is a heck of a player but 25/10/3 stats for his career is just ridiculous. I could definitely see him becoming a 20+ PPG for some years but 25 per game for his career probably means a lot of years around 30 PPG which just isn't happening.

Neither is 10 RPG for his career. He has not shown that ability. I will be happy if he averages 6 for his career and has some years where he gets 8 a game
Yeah, 25/10/3 are insane career stats.

Karl Malone averaged 25/10/3.6, and frankly I don't quite see JT as being the next Karl Malone.
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Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2017, 10:05:22 AM »

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Unfortunately the poll doesn't allow for more than one vote, but there's good evidence at this point that both Smart and Brown will disappoint.  Both were drafted based on physical tools and profile and neither has been able to develop actual NBA level basketball skills yet.

I doubt Smart will ever develop an NBA shot - he just hasn't made any improvement in this area...  At this point his ceiling is Bruce Bowen 2.0 and he's not even there yet...  He's still so far away from realizing his best offense is going to come from just camping out in the corners

Jaylen still has a long way to go to have Terrence Ross level basketball skills.  His Summer League disappearing act this year was extremely disappointing - but what's probably more disturbing is that his best position is the most crowded position on the team... He'll be competing for playing time with a solid NBA starter, an NBA veteran, a Max-contract star, and ANOTHER #3 overall pick who already established offensive superiority in Summer league.     

Tatum already has NBA skills, I see him showing better than both Smart and Brown by the end of the season.


Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2017, 10:14:24 AM »

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I'd vote NONE.

I see that Marcus got the most votes here and I get that.

"Offense sells the most tickets", I guess.

But "DEFENSE wins Championships", and Marcus is NOW our primary defender along with Jae now that AB is in DET.

Marcus Smart is our Utility player...our Swiss Army knife....he can do a LOT of other things well that oftentimes don't end up in the box scores.

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Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2017, 12:18:34 PM »

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Antoine walker  made near max money at 14 million per for a few years. He carried this team when Paul pierce was a youngster. I don't think this is a fair comment to him.

None of them will be failures. Maybe smart doesn't make an all star team but all will have 10 year plus careers as rotation level players at minimum. Can't call that disappointment when others are putting the label of bust or too high expectations on them. Nobody said they would be Lebron or kobe.
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Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2017, 12:22:28 PM »

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If anyone thinks Marcus Smart is going to be an all-star, they will be dissapointed. 
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Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2017, 02:05:15 PM »

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Unfortunately the poll doesn't allow for more than one vote, but there's good evidence at this point that both Smart and Brown will disappoint.  Both were drafted based on physical tools and profile and neither has been able to develop actual NBA level basketball skills yet.

I doubt Smart will ever develop an NBA shot - he just hasn't made any improvement in this area...  At this point his ceiling is Bruce Bowen 2.0 and he's not even there yet...  He's still so far away from realizing his best offense is going to come from just camping out in the corners

Jaylen still has a long way to go to have Terrence Ross level basketball skills.  His Summer League disappearing act this year was extremely disappointing - but what's probably more disturbing is that his best position is the most crowded position on the team... He'll be competing for playing time with a solid NBA starter, an NBA veteran, a Max-contract star, and ANOTHER #3 overall pick who already established offensive superiority in Summer league.     

Tatum already has NBA skills, I see him showing better than both Smart and Brown by the end of the season.

I think Brown is going to be a solid 15/7 guy with great defense. That's not a disappointment. Brown has shown flashes of being a really good NBA player. As for the summer disappearing act, he came out his first game and hung 29 and 13. Then they tried him as the ball handler and playmaker which did not go as well. I think he surprises a lot of people this year.

Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2017, 02:30:30 PM »

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It definitely depends on what your expectations are for each player. I think if you're expecting Smart or Brown to become All Stars they're both likely to disappoint. However, I think Jaylen could become a solid starter for a contender, and Smart could still grow into a solid role player. I think Tatum has the lowest floor of the bunch, because if he can't create his own shot consistently he's in big trouble. However, I think he's more likely to reach his ceiling than the other two.

Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2017, 05:51:34 PM »

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Antoine walker  made near max money at 14 million per for a few years. He carried this team when Paul pierce was a youngster. I don't think this is a fair comment to him.

I agree this is unfair to Toine. He had flaws as a player, no doubt, but he was an above average player for his career, and pretty darn good when he was at his best. Not being as good as a future hall of famer is hardly something to be ashamed of. Walker loved being a Celtic, played hard all game every game, and wanted to win. I'm not ignoring his flaws, but I want to give him his due as well.

Re: Which of our top level prospects will end up to disappoint long-term?
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2017, 10:04:05 PM »

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In a sense, Marcus has already disappointed. He's good, a starting-caliber player due to his elite defense, but his offense is clearly worse than expected. He could have been much better based on his college + rookie year production.

But I picked Jaylen, mostly because expectations for him are higher. Most fans probably still think Jaylen has a chance to be a star, but frankly it's not likely he'll be better than Smart. He showed in SL that he cannot handle a high usage, and he isn't nearly as good as Smart on defense. He might still be a solid 2-way player similar to or a little worse than Jae Crowder, but most fans will find this disappointing.

Tatum is the least likely to disappoint. He's a stud.