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Re: morris is just what we needed
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2017, 09:33:22 PM »

Offline gouki88

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Yes, I'm even assuming Morris will start and play heavy-ish minutes.

IT 35 / Smart 13
Hayward 20 / Smart 19 / Brown 9
Crowder 12 / Hayward 12 / Brown 12 / Tatum 12
Morris 28 / Crowder 20
Horford 32 / Baynes 16
There's no way Hayward only gets 32 mins. Same with Crowder except there's no way he gets that many. Too many for him and too little for JT.

I see something like:
IT 34 / Smart 8 / Rozier 6
Hayward 16 / Smart 18 / Brown 14
Crowder 14 / Hayward 18 / Brown 8 / Tatum 8
Morris 26 / Crowder 12 / Tatum 10
Horford 32 / Baynes 16

Zizic, Yabu and others will get spot mins here and there, and Rozier will definitely get more than 6. But that's for Brad to figure out ;D
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Re: morris is just what we needed
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2017, 02:48:40 PM »

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Why do people keep penciling Hayward in for major minutes at SG? Hayward hasn't played SG for years. Per Pro Basketball Reference, Hayward has played about 4% of his minutes there the last 3 seasons. I know that's an estimate but it jives with how he was used on the floor. He's a SF who can play PF in small lineups.

I think he might get a few minutes at SG in certain lineups but not many. You can't have Hayward trying to defend fast SGs and leave IT on the floor - that's a defensive lineup that would get killed. You need a defensive specialist or a quicker guy out there and that means Smart, not IT, paired with Hayward in the back court. But he should mostly take SF/PF minutes. 

The plan right now is for Brown to get the lion's share of minutes at SG. IT might get a few of those in certain lineups as it's been said before that Brad looks at IT as a PG/SG combo player. Moreover, I wouldn't bank on any player seeing the floor for more than 32-33 minutes per game this year to keep players fresher for the playoffs. We have the manpower.
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Re: morris is just what we needed
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2017, 05:05:07 PM »

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I think the point that he is a more versatile and athletic Jerebko is a good one.  Maybe not the shooter Jonas is, but JJ regressed last year on that.

Re: morris is just what we needed
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2017, 06:02:39 PM »

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IT(32) Rozier(16)
Brown(18) Smart (30)
Hayward(32) Crowder(10) Brown (6)
Morris(28) Tatum(16) Horford(4)
Horford(26) Baynes(18) Zizic or Theis(4)

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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2017, 06:17:33 PM »

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IT(32) Rozier(16)
Brown(18) Smart (30)
Hayward(32) Crowder(10) Brown (6)
Morris(28) Tatum(16) Horford(4)
Horford(26) Baynes(18) Zizic or Theis(4)

Love the look of that depth chart for the most part, but I don't think there's any way that Morris gets 28 minutes with Jae getting merely 10. At that point we'd trade him. I think they're both closer to 20 minutes or so.
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Re: morris is just what we needed
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2017, 12:09:32 PM »

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IT(32) Rozier(16)
Brown(18) Smart (30)
Hayward(32) Crowder(10) Brown (6)
Morris(28) Tatum(16) Horford(4)
Horford(26) Baynes(18) Zizic or Theis(4)

Love the look of that depth chart for the most part, but I don't think there's any way that Morris gets 28 minutes with Jae getting merely 10. At that point we'd trade him. I think they're both closer to 20 minutes or so.
If the health factor stays good the it's likely  Crowder is on the block by Xmas unless he gets a few minutes at the 4. We could have an adjustment of minutes at the 5 and Tatum could be benched for short stints as he learns his role. Probably not as much as Brown last year though.
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2017, 02:26:08 PM »

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Why do people keep penciling Hayward in for major minutes at SG? Hayward hasn't played SG for years. Per Pro Basketball Reference, Hayward has played about 4% of his minutes there the last 3 seasons. I know that's an estimate but it jives with how he was used on the floor. He's a SF who can play PF in small lineups.

I think he might get a few minutes at SG in certain lineups but not many. You can't have Hayward trying to defend fast SGs and leave IT on the floor - that's a defensive lineup that would get killed. You need a defensive specialist or a quicker guy out there and that means Smart, not IT, paired with Hayward in the back court. But he should mostly take SF/PF minutes. 

The plan right now is for Brown to get the lion's share of minutes at SG. IT might get a few of those in certain lineups as it's been said before that Brad looks at IT as a PG/SG combo player. Moreover, I wouldn't bank on any player seeing the floor for more than 32-33 minutes per game this year to keep players fresher for the playoffs. We have the manpower.
Maybe.  I don't think any of us know what Brad will do.

Re: morris is just what we needed
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2017, 12:13:11 PM »

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Why do people keep penciling Hayward in for major minutes at SG? Hayward hasn't played SG for years. Per Pro Basketball Reference, Hayward has played about 4% of his minutes there the last 3 seasons. I know that's an estimate but it jives with how he was used on the floor. He's a SF who can play PF in small lineups.

Good points. To turn it around, so to speak: the Celtics have quicker players in Brown, Smart, and Crowder who can take the quicker opponents; and since Hayward will be relied on to score, it's just more effective defense for him to guard bigger players. Add to that that he's got an impressive wingspan.

I think he might get a few minutes at SG in certain lineups but not many. You can't have Hayward trying to defend fast SGs and leave IT on the floor - that's a defensive lineup that would get killed. You need a defensive specialist or a quicker guy out there and that means Smart, not IT, paired with Hayward in the back court. But he should mostly take SF/PF minutes. 

Excellent point about IT/Hayward. I would not call Smart a "defensive specialist", by the way (not that you did, but I've heard people say that).

Regarding how Smart was used last season: by far the most court time was with Isaiah also on the floor, not subbing for him but for Bradley, so that IT could play off the ball. Another significant slice of his minutes was with Rozier instead of IT, with Terry taking the opponent pg.

So I don't think that you'll see much of Smart/Hayward/SF/PF/C lineups.

The plan right now is for Brown to get the lion's share of minutes at SG. IT might get a few of those in certain lineups as it's been said before that Brad looks at IT as a PG/SG combo player.

About Brown: exactly. That he can switch onto 1-4 means that in any lineup with him and Gordon you can put Jaylen on the quicker player.

About IT as a 2: that's stretching the definition, I think (even if we continue to use the old 1-5 categories, which Brad Stevens is not). However, on offense, at least, Thomas has frequently been playing off the ball, where he is an excellent spot-up shooter and at using his speed to get free of his man.

Moreover, I wouldn't bank on any player seeing the floor for more than 32-33 minutes per game this year to keep players fresher for the playoffs. We have the manpower.

Danny Ainge has given this squad outstanding depth for the last couple of seasons; I think that in addition to adding more talent at the top of the lineup, this off-season he has also maintained the depth.

Another advantage to distributing minutes more evenly: younger players get precious floor time; again, we saw that last season, with Jaylen joining the rotation early on, paying dividends in the playoffs.
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Re: morris is just what we needed
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2017, 03:31:37 PM »

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I don't get why Morris is considered only a "small ball" PF.  Here are some players and their pre-draft without shoes measurements:

Crowder       6' 4.75"
Morris          6' 7.00"
Love            6' 7.75"
Sullinger      6' 7.75"
Horford        6' 8.75"

Yes, he is just what we need, a PF.  I guess Baynes and Horford could be the starters but I would be surprised.  I think our starting and most featured bigs will be Morris and Horford.  And if you like standing reach (which may be a better indicator of length):

Crowder       8' 3.50"
Morris          8' 9.50"
Love            8' 10.0"
Sullinger      8' 9.75"
Horford        8' 11.0"

Still I see many line ups that have Crowder playing PF.  Crowder is undersized for SF, much less a PF.  Morris may be a tad below ideal for PF but Sullinger and Horford are considered PF/C.  Love is clearly considered a PF.  But not Morris?  I admit I am not all that familiar with his game but I don't see why we would need to play him anywhere but PF.
Just because a player has the size to be a power forward doesnt make him one.

He has never been a good rebounder and hes had by FAR the best years of his career playing the 3.

My point is that many of these posts have Crowder playing extended minutes at PF.  Morris will be a much better rebounder than Crowder.  Crowder (6'-5" with short arms) is undersized for a SF/Wing much less a PF/Big.  I am not trying to suggest Morris is the prototypical PF/Big or anything but I far prefer him at PF over Crowder.  Hopefully Zizic will emerge but I don't think that will happen anytime soon this season.

I really don't think Danny traded Avery Bradley to have Morris come here and play SF.  Now if you want a really big line-up (Smart-Hayward-Morris-Horford-Baynes), OK, I could see some spot minutes with that line up as a change of pace or some other situation but it would not hurt my feelings if we never saw Crowder at PF.