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Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2017, 12:46:00 AM »

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I do have some concerns about Fultz's personality.  He seems like a nice kid, is obviously very talented, and all reports indicate he's a very hard worker...but every time I see an interview with him he just comes across as very self-conscious and not very sure of himself.

Often his words tell a story of confidence, but his body language and the way he says them seems to tell another story.  He comes across to me as the type of player who might start to doubt himself if he is struggling, and might need the constant reinforcement of the stronger and confident emotional leaders of his team.

I do wish him well as I think he is a phenomenal talent, I just hope he doesn't end up being held back by excessive niceness and / or a lack of confidence (e.g. Olynyk, Jeff Green).  Also will he be able to handle the up/down roller-coaster ride that is the 76ers?

From a pure personality standpoint I actually really like Tatum and Ball.  Both seem like they have a lot of confidence in themselves and their ability, but still grounded enough that they will listen to their coaches / veteran teammates and respect their opponents. 

Jackson I think is too far on the opposite set of the spectrum.  He seems full of himself to a fault, and seems to believe he is god's gift to basketball.  He's constantly talking himself up and I struggle to find any interviews of him where he isn't flashing that cheesy, egotistical grin. I see him as the type who will underestimate his opponents, and I could see him getting a rude awakening once he eventually steps on to an NBA floor and faces up against actual NBA players.  His personality reminds me a little of Rajon Rondo, except that Rondo had the basketball IQ to back it up - and Jackson IMHO does not.

Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2017, 02:17:46 AM »

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I wouldn't say Fultz had a lack of confidence in that video, he's just a more low key character from the looks of it. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the drive to better himself.

Interesting that Lonzo had the ball though. Jayson all the way at the back as well. Easy to make the argument that they want Lonzo as the face of a resurgent LA for years to come. That should act as fuel for all rookies selected around him.
He indeed has work ethic, i am talking about alpha though
I don;t think he is lowkey in nature, remember his (privately at the time)tweet video laughing at LBJ's hair? that's not lowkey, if anything he is afraid to show it up
Tatum in the back because his height and also his teammate, look at his smile, that's not the face
a disrespected man have
Was Tim Duncan alpha? You don't have to be like Kobe to be a great player. Bill Russell, Ray Allen, Hakeem the dream. I doubt those players would be ripping balls out of hands at a rookie shoot.
will yeah i guess if you are DuncanRussell talented then alpha won't be a must, but still it's a improtant factor and will be a plus if they have it
Nah this is just ridiculous. You dont need to be Jae Crowder and moan about every public slight.

People just tryna justify the fact that we decided to pass on Markelle for Jayson Tatum

Agreed.   And it's silly and unnecessary.   Markelle is probably going to be a great player.  And Tatum certainly gives all signs he's going to be a great player.  And you don't need anything more to justify the trade than to remember the potential value of that LAL18/SAC19 pick.
Yep, I think we got the better end of the deal but that doesn't mean suddenly I think Fultz is going to fall flat in his face. It was a rare win win trade.

Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2017, 02:36:10 AM »

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I didn't see a lack of confidence, either. The guy might want to change his diet, though. Haha.

And yes, the league is desperately hoping that Ball becomes a star.
It's not his face lol, he is saying he was nervous he won't go first, if you can feel nervous in that particular situiation(i know i won't..) how will he feel while taking clutch shots in the playoffs?

Just because you dont doesnt mean others wont be. I know of a guy who gets very nervous in social situations, like photoshoot or speaking in a crowd. But he is probably the clutchest guy in my university's league during his era.

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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2017, 03:01:24 AM »

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I didn't see a lack of confidence, either. The guy might want to change his diet, though. Haha.

And yes, the league is desperately hoping that Ball becomes a star.
It's not his face lol, he is saying he was nervous he won't go first, if you can feel nervous in that particular situiation(i know i won't..) how will he feel while taking clutch shots in the playoffs?

Just because you dont doesnt mean others wont be. I know of a guy who gets very nervous in social situations, like photoshoot or speaking in a crowd. But he is probably the clutchest guy in my university's league during his era.
OK
We well see (when he actually make the playoffs)

Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2017, 05:03:57 PM »

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Based on what exactly?

His collegiate record

His body langauge

Summer league rewatch the game we played against him

He has immense talent, but I have questions so far about his drive in terms of will to win.

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Often his words tell a story of confidence, but his body language and the way he says them seems to tell another story.  He comes across to me as the type of player who might start to doubt himself if he is struggling, and might need the constant reinforcement of the stronger and confident emotional leaders of his team.

I see the same thing and am with you 100% on this assertion.

Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2017, 05:52:33 PM »

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https://clutchpoints.com/mavs-news-dennis-smith-jr-blasts-markelle-fultz-for-winless-summer-league-stint/
Just one of those things which make you to concern his desire of winning

“What’s fun about losing games?” Smith said. “What’s fun about losing?”

“Bro, the season hasn’t even started,” Fultz replied. “Have you won one game in the NBA yet?”


You see the difference (by the way the reply should be "there is no fun", markelle)

Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2017, 05:59:33 PM »

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It is interesting, I root for the young guys to do well, be exciting to watch and see good basketball. I will admit that Fultz compared to other players it is a bit more complicated for us. I don't want to see all of Philly's youngs workout and battle us for supremacy (and us to lose the trade). Before the draft I was kind of believing some of the stuff about him being a step above. However, after summer league I am wondering if he got a little too hyped up. It would not surprise me if Ball, Tatum or Smith ended up being the best player from this draft.

Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2017, 06:27:36 PM »

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I like Markelle. I believe he took this slight, internalized it and is just gonna add it to the chip on his shoulder.

I don't think that is what kind of guy he is in all honesty.  From what I have seen of him, I think he cares more about his stats and getting paid than winning games.   Time will tell.

Hmm... I've followed Markelle pretty closely for a long time and in all honesty I suspect that "what you've seen of him" is very little, if that is your assessment of his character.

Look, the kid is going to play on another team.  I get that.  Why is it that we have to contrive character aspersions about him out of nothing?
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Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2017, 07:26:21 PM »

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Not to hate on the story, but here's a look at the last few years rookie classes.  I see no trend of #1 pick holding the ball.





TP. I think that should've been [/thread].

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Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2017, 09:08:16 PM »

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Hmm... I've followed Markelle pretty closely for a long time and in all honesty I suspect that "what you've seen of him" is very little, if that is your assessment of his character.

Here is some wisdom you posted last draft prior to this year and all I can say is I am happy you don't work for the Celtics front office, JK  :

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Some quick notes:

Bender's data used in the model includes most of this season at Maccabi but does not include his most recent playoff games, which might be significant because he just played 10% of his entire minutes this season in the last two playoff games (and played well).   Bender is, of course, the only one still playing and his data may not be complete until June 9th.  Also, Bender's physical data (ht, wingspan, etc.) is probably due for revision.  The model also does not include Bender's stellar FIBA tournament play.  Basically, the results are going to likely undervalue Bender.

The Jaylen Brown and Buddy Hield results are huge red flag alerts for 'Do Not Want' because results under 4.0 correlate too strongly with 'roll player or less'.   Skal is also considered a Do Not Want.


You posted that stuff in this thread:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84760.msg2093223#msg2093223

You were clearly wrong then and could be now just as I could be wrong on Fultz but you're not infallible and your word is not law.   Were you following these guys closely, too?
 
I  have my opinion and you have yours, it does not make either one of us right or wrong.  So take your "seen him very little"  comment and pat yourself on the back.  You didn't change my mind one bit and life goes on.  If you think I wait with anticipation for every post you make as basketball gospel you're quite delusional.   I am sure you could find a ton of threads where I was wrong, as well.  It happens, to everyone.   But forgive me if I don't trust your scouting or weigh your following a guy closely as the gold standard. 

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Look, the kid is going to play on another team.  I get that.  Why is it that we have to contrive character aspersions about him out of nothing?

I could care less about what team he goes to in all honesty.   I for one, am glad he did not end up here.   If you think this is some kind of resentment on my part you could not be more mistaken.   I am sure he will be productive, but from what I have seen I see a guy that is more about putting up stats ( empty most of the time) than winning.

Time will tell in the end.  It will be fun to see who is right.   I do not think he is transcendent once in a generation player.   He may be an all star but I doubt he wins many rings even with all the riches of Philly.   I think Simmons is the same kind of guy.   Do they know how to win, neither did in college?   Time will tell.  Have a good night.

Re: Fulz already being disrespected(Rookie Photoshoot)
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2017, 04:59:11 PM »

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Hmm... I've followed Markelle pretty closely for a long time and in all honesty I suspect that "what you've seen of him" is very little, if that is your assessment of his character.

Here is some wisdom you posted last draft prior to this year and all I can say is I am happy you don't work for the Celtics front office, JK  :

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Some quick notes:

Bender's data used in the model includes most of this season at Maccabi but does not include his most recent playoff games, which might be significant because he just played 10% of his entire minutes this season in the last two playoff games (and played well).   Bender is, of course, the only one still playing and his data may not be complete until June 9th.  Also, Bender's physical data (ht, wingspan, etc.) is probably due for revision.  The model also does not include Bender's stellar FIBA tournament play.  Basically, the results are going to likely undervalue Bender.

The Jaylen Brown and Buddy Hield results are huge red flag alerts for 'Do Not Want' because results under 4.0 correlate too strongly with 'roll player or less'.   Skal is also considered a Do Not Want.


You posted that stuff in this thread:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84760.msg2093223#msg2093223

You were clearly wrong then and could be now just as I could be wrong on Fultz but you're not infallible and your word is not law.   Were you following these guys closely, too?
 
I  have my opinion and you have yours, it does not make either one of us right or wrong.  So take your "seen him very little"  comment and pat yourself on the back.  You didn't change my mind one bit and life goes on.  If you think I wait with anticipation for every post you make as basketball gospel you're quite delusional.   I am sure you could find a ton of threads where I was wrong, as well.  It happens, to everyone.   But forgive me if I don't trust your scouting or weigh your following a guy closely as the gold standard. 

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Look, the kid is going to play on another team.  I get that.  Why is it that we have to contrive character aspersions about him out of nothing?

I could care less about what team he goes to in all honesty.   I for one, am glad he did not end up here.   If you think this is some kind of resentment on my part you could not be more mistaken.   I am sure he will be productive, but from what I have seen I see a guy that is more about putting up stats ( empty most of the time) than winning.

Time will tell in the end.  It will be fun to see who is right.   I do not think he is transcendent once in a generation player.   He may be an all star but I doubt he wins many rings even with all the riches of Philly.   I think Simmons is the same kind of guy.   Do they know how to win, neither did in college?   Time will tell.  Have a good night.

I see making personal attacks comes natural and easy for you.

FWIW, nothing I posted in the quote was 'wrong' on my part nor did it represent my personal 'wisdom'.   The post was presenting Andrew Johnson's model results and explaining what they meant.   The only opinion of mine offered is that I concurred with Johnson's assessment that (a) their was no clear candidate offered by the model for the pick at #3 but (b) to lean towards Bender having marginally the best upside.

That's hardly an extreme position and how Bender will turn out is hardly proven one way or another after one season.  He's still younger than about half the players taken in this latest draft.

Also, FWIW, yes I have followed Fultz closely.  He went to my alma mater and I watched almost all his games.

But you know him much more personally, on a level necessary to comment about his deep character flaws, so okay.
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