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Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2017, 11:16:33 AM »

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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !

I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.

Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2017, 11:35:23 AM »

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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !

I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.
Dunno about Wall not being that great, considering he's a top point guard in the league. He just averaged roughly 23ppg, 11apg, 4rpg and 2spg. That's basically as elite as it gets.

But I do think Doncic could be on that level. His BBIQ is pretty off the charts, and at this stage (assuming he develops as I expect) he'll be a monster.

Will root for whoever Boston picks though.
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Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2017, 12:06:01 PM »

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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !

I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.

Doncic better than Wall? John Wall not that good?  ???
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Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2017, 12:13:26 PM »

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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !

I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.

Doncic better than Wall? John Wall not that good?  ???

Wall is overrated a bit. His VORP is 4.3. For comparison Hayward's is 4.0. Curry is at 6.2 and was at 9.8 the year before that.

I guess I don't see an elite player when I see John Wall, more of a really good player. Much like Hayward..

Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2017, 12:27:29 PM »

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Thanks... I don't know about the rest 4 tier1 players but i don't think Doncic belongs there. He needs a new 1.3 tier just for him cause he is no John Wall or AD kind of talent but he is certainly better than Dilikina !

I'd project Doncic to be better than Wall, who really isn't THAT great. Doncic isn't Dragan Buster or even Rubio, he is much more skilled than either.

Doncic better than Wall? John Wall not that good?  ???

Wall is overrated a bit. His VORP is 4.3. For comparison Hayward's is 4.0. Curry is at 6.2 and was at 9.8 the year before that.

I guess I don't see an elite player when I see John Wall, more of a really good player. Much like Hayward..
I think using one stat to define whether a player is elite or not is a bit shortsighted.

Is Chris Paul's '08-'09 season better than any season Kobe had because his VORP is higher? No, because using a singular stat is faulty.
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Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2017, 12:31:03 PM »

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How many people are stating opinion based on what they have heard, what clips they have seen, and what games they have watched? I would love to know this because Porter is every bit int he class of Bagley. Bagley can do more things but lets not short change Porter Jr because all of a sudden Bagley might reclassify and the scouts think he is good.

My Tiers based on seeing many of these guys play at least 4 or more games so far.

Tier 1
1. Bagley - Can shoot from the outside, handle the ball, very good rebounder, elite motor.

2. Porter Jr - Can really fill it up. Can shoot over virtually anyone. Good rebounder. Average handle. A bit upright and stiff in the hips. Will likely be an elite stretch 4.

Tier 2
3. Ayton - Great hands. Can really run the floor. Great rebounder. Has range on his jumper. Shoots a very flat shot. Has a tendency to float on the perimeter and through parts of games. Bad body language at times. Motor runs hot and cold. Back to the basket game is very raw.

4. Bamba - Elite length. Can be a real force in PnR as well as close outs. Very good rebounder. Elite shot blocker. Must get stronger because he loses position fairly easily. Range out to about 17 ft but is far from consistent there.


I wont go into Tier 3 just yet because thats the least developed for me at this point. I also didnt include Doncic because I have not watched enough actual game film on himm yet.

Lastly, whomever said Bamba has a motor issue I would love to know where that came from because I have never seen or heard any such thing.

Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2017, 12:38:47 PM »

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How many people are stating opinion based on what they have heard, what clips they have seen, and what games they have watched? I would love to know this because Porter is every bit int he class of Bagley. Bagley can do more things but lets not short change Porter Jr because all of a sudden Bagley might reclassify and the scouts think he is good.

My Tiers based on seeing many of these guys play at least 4 or more games so far.

Tier 1
1. Bagley - Can shoot from the outside, handle the ball, very good rebounder, elite motor.

2. Porter Jr - Can really fill it up. Can shoot over virtually anyone. Good rebounder. Average handle. A bit upright and stiff in the hips. Will likely be an elite stretch 4.

Tier 2
3. Ayton - Great hands. Can really run the floor. Great rebounder. Has range on his jumper. Shoots a very flat shot. Has a tendency to float on the perimeter and through parts of games. Bad body language at times. Motor runs hot and cold. Back to the basket game is very raw.

4. Bamba - Elite length. Can be a real force in PnR as well as close outs. Very good rebounder. Elite shot blocker. Must get stronger because he loses position fairly easily. Range out to about 17 ft but is far from consistent there.


I wont go into Tier 3 just yet because thats the least developed for me at this point. I also didnt include Doncic because I have not watched enough actual game film on himm yet.

Lastly, whomever said Bamba has a motor issue I would love to know where that came from because I have never seen or heard any such thing.

Bagley edges Porter just a bit for me because I like his physicality a bit more than Porter Jr at this point. That could of course change this year of college but we'll have to see. Bamba's motor issues are pretty well documented.

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Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2017, 12:50:23 PM »

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How many people are stating opinion based on what they have heard, what clips they have seen, and what games they have watched? I would love to know this because Porter is every bit int he class of Bagley. Bagley can do more things but lets not short change Porter Jr because all of a sudden Bagley might reclassify and the scouts think he is good.

My Tiers based on seeing many of these guys play at least 4 or more games so far.

Tier 1
1. Bagley - Can shoot from the outside, handle the ball, very good rebounder, elite motor.

2. Porter Jr - Can really fill it up. Can shoot over virtually anyone. Good rebounder. Average handle. A bit upright and stiff in the hips. Will likely be an elite stretch 4.

Tier 2
3. Ayton - Great hands. Can really run the floor. Great rebounder. Has range on his jumper. Shoots a very flat shot. Has a tendency to float on the perimeter and through parts of games. Bad body language at times. Motor runs hot and cold. Back to the basket game is very raw.

4. Bamba - Elite length. Can be a real force in PnR as well as close outs. Very good rebounder. Elite shot blocker. Must get stronger because he loses position fairly easily. Range out to about 17 ft but is far from consistent there.


I wont go into Tier 3 just yet because thats the least developed for me at this point. I also didnt include Doncic because I have not watched enough actual game film on himm yet.

Lastly, whomever said Bamba has a motor issue I would love to know where that came from because I have never seen or heard any such thing.

Bagley edges Porter just a bit for me because I like his physicality a bit more than Porter Jr at this point. That could of course change this year of college but we'll have to see. Bamba's motor issues are pretty well documented.

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Well having an edge on Porter doesnt/shouldnt mean they are in different Tiers at least in my book. But thats just my opinion.

Also Im surprised at that DX report. I have never seen that in the 4 or 5 times I have watched him. Now I will say that at least 2 of the times I have seen him were against Ayton so that could change his approach.

Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2017, 11:44:40 AM »

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Re: 2018 Chad Ford Draft Tiers
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https://www.theringer.com/2017/8/11/16117094/nba-draft-2018-marvin-bagley-michael-porter-deandre-ayton

TP.  This is a great write up that explains the pros and cons of each player.  Good for someone like me who only looks at YouTube clips of these guys. Lol. Looking more specifically at their flaws I guess it's possible Jason Tatum or Jaylen Brown could end up as good as any of these guys. 

It is also gives us great leverage in trades if other teams buy into the hype and Ainge is lukewarm on any of them.