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Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2017, 10:17:10 AM »

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Is smart an upgrade over AB.  Not to my eyes.  Should smart or brown start?  Neither is my answer.  Start Hayward and Crowder at the two and three.
Disagree with 1 due to Smart seemingly adding a 3 point shot to his arsenal (hey it's likelier than Ben Simmons ehem Lamar Odom without a shot adding a 3 pointer), but agree with the last bit. Smart can be our secret knockout weapon off the bench when games are tight as our 6th man
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Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2017, 10:17:22 AM »

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Is smart an upgrade over AB.  Not to my eyes.  Should smart or brown start?  Neither is my answer.  Start Hayward and Crowder at the two and three.
Disagree with 1 due to Smart seemingly adding a 3 point shot to his arsenal (hey it's likelier than Ben Simmons ehem Lamar Odom without a shot adding a 3 pointer), but agree with the last bit. Smart can be our secret knockout weapon off the bench when games are tight as our 6th man
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Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2017, 10:54:09 AM »

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Disagree with 1 due to Smart seemingly adding a 3 point shot to his arsenal (hey it's likelier than Ben Simmons ehem Lamar Odom without a shot adding a 3 pointer), but agree with the last bit. Smart can be our secret knockout weapon off the bench when games are tight as our 6th man

Are you even aware what he shot from three point land last year?

28%

If that is adding a weapon he needs to go back the drawing board.    That is well below the NBA average of   .358%


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

You acting like he is good at this at present is patently absurd!

Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2017, 10:58:15 AM »

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Is smart an upgrade over AB.  Not to my eyes.  Should smart or brown start?  Neither is my answer.  Start Hayward and Crowder at the two and three.
Disagree with 1 due to Smart seemingly adding a 3 point shot to his arsenal (hey it's likelier than Ben Simmons ehem Lamar Odom without a shot adding a 3 pointer), but agree with the last bit. Smart can be our secret knockout weapon off the bench when games are tight as our 6th man
What knowledge do you have that we don't? Smart is a very poor 3 point shooter.
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Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2017, 11:42:34 AM »

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I still like:

IT/Rozier
Hayward/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Morris/Tatum
Horford/Baynes

As our first and second units.

Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2017, 11:45:35 AM »

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Our second most used lineup only played 192 minutes together? Can that be right?

Think about how many 5-man combinations are used during a season and it will make sense.

Yeah, but that's just over 2 minutes per game. Obviously, it's not distributed like that, but it's still a pretty small slice of game time.


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Disagree with 1 due to Smart seemingly adding a 3 point shot to his arsenal (hey it's likelier than Ben Simmons ehem Lamar Odom without a shot adding a 3 pointer), but agree with the last bit. Smart can be our secret knockout weapon off the bench when games are tight as our 6th man

Are you even aware what he shot from three point land last year?

28%

If that is adding a weapon he needs to go back the drawing board.    That is well below the NBA average of   .358%


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

You acting like he is good at this at present is patently absurd!
Well I was joking about his shooting but he does seem to have gotten better at shooting during the summer, his mechanics look more consistent.
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Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2017, 11:48:07 AM »

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Disagree with 1 due to Smart seemingly adding a 3 point shot to his arsenal (hey it's likelier than Ben Simmons ehem Lamar Odom without a shot adding a 3 pointer), but agree with the last bit. Smart can be our secret knockout weapon off the bench when games are tight as our 6th man

Are you even aware what he shot from three point land last year?

28%

If that is adding a weapon he needs to go back the drawing board.    That is well below the NBA average of   .358%


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

You acting like he is good at this at present is patently absurd!

Over 38% the last 24 games including the playoffs.
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Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2017, 11:51:48 AM »

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Disagree with 1 due to Smart seemingly adding a 3 point shot to his arsenal (hey it's likelier than Ben Simmons ehem Lamar Odom without a shot adding a 3 pointer), but agree with the last bit. Smart can be our secret knockout weapon off the bench when games are tight as our 6th man

Are you even aware what he shot from three point land last year?

28%

If that is adding a weapon he needs to go back the drawing board.    That is well below the NBA average of   .358%


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

You acting like he is good at this at present is patently absurd!

Over 38% the last 24 games including the playoffs.

So, streaky then?  Will there be regression toward the mean?

Not enough data to say he's good, but some evidence he might, might, be improving.


Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2017, 12:07:14 PM »

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Our second most used lineup only played 192 minutes together? Can that be right?

Think about how many 5-man combinations are used during a season and it will make sense.

Yeah, but that's just over 2 minutes per game. Obviously, it's not distributed like that, but it's still a pretty small slice of game time.

I think the majority if not all of it came when AB was injured.  Smart rarely played with the starting unit with Amir.

Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2017, 12:47:25 PM »

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I have always felt that Smart was a 2 not a 1 or a 3.
I hope stays at the 2 from now on.
Let Rozier backup IT.

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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2017, 01:03:40 PM »

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I still like:

IT/Rozier
Hayward/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Morris/Tatum
Horford/Baynes

As our first and second units.

I was thinking last night about our lineup and this is the exact unit I came up with (for 10 guys).
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Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2017, 05:45:35 PM »

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Disagree with 1 due to Smart seemingly adding a 3 point shot to his arsenal (hey it's likelier than Ben Simmons ehem Lamar Odom without a shot adding a 3 pointer), but agree with the last bit. Smart can be our secret knockout weapon off the bench when games are tight as our 6th man

Are you even aware what he shot from three point land last year?

28%

If that is adding a weapon he needs to go back the drawing board.    That is well below the NBA average of   .358%


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

You acting like he is good at this at present is patently absurd!

Over 38% the last 24 games including the playoffs.

So, streaky then?  Will there be regression toward the mean?

Not enough data to say he's good, but some evidence he might, might, be improving.

Streaky, yes. But I like the fact that this streak ended the season on an upswing with momentum into the summer break where we can assume he's working on his shot like crazy.
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Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2017, 06:04:10 PM »

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I think marcus will be an upgrade in some areas like passing and overall BBIQ which is something about AB that drove me insane for all the improvements he made to his game I never saw his general sense of the game improve.

Re: Smart an upgrade over Bradley
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2017, 06:21:31 PM »

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Disagree with 1 due to Smart seemingly adding a 3 point shot to his arsenal (hey it's likelier than Ben Simmons ehem Lamar Odom without a shot adding a 3 pointer), but agree with the last bit. Smart can be our secret knockout weapon off the bench when games are tight as our 6th man

Are you even aware what he shot from three point land last year?

28%

If that is adding a weapon he needs to go back the drawing board.    That is well below the NBA average of   .358%


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

You acting like he is good at this at present is patently absurd!

Over 38% the last 24 games including the playoffs.

Who are you trying to kid on 5/23 he was 1 for 5.  5/19 he was 0-1( not to mention 0-6 from the field), 0-3 on game 1 with the CAVS on 5/17.  He did shoot 7-10 which vastly upped his stats.    But he had plenty of games where he could not make a three with e pencil....

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2990992/marcus-smart

You know what a team will do in off games with him.   They will double another player because he is not a credible threat and this hurts our whole offense.   His FG is another matter.   Don't get me wrong I like Smart, I am rooting for him to succeed.   I love his grit and toughness and how he wins 50/50 plays.   But shooting is an area that he needs a ton of work on.     I hope this off season he learns how to do it all the time and improves his jumper.