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Re: If CLE trades Kyrie for Melo, are they better? can we beat them?
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They would be much much worse... Melo is 33 and steadily declining. Cavs would never do that deal though it is a complete rip off....

Re: If CLE trades Kyrie for Melo, are they better? can we beat them?
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CLE-NY-PHX 3-Way

CLE gets both Melo and Bledsoe, Phx gets Frank and other picks.

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Source: #Cavs trying to work #Suns into a deal. Bledsoe and Chandler would be part of it. Suns want Frank Ntilikina and other picks. https

Re: If CLE trades Kyrie for Melo, are they better? can we beat them?
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Kyrie is overrated. However, Kyrie is very good. Melo is very...not good. They would be significantly worse.
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Re: If CLE trades Kyrie for Melo, are they better? can we beat them?
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CLE-NY-PHX 3-Way

CLE gets both Melo and Bledsoe, Phx gets Frank and other picks.

Jordan Schultz‏Verified account @Schultz_Report  2m2 minutes ago
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Sources also say #Suns want Channing Frye expiring from #Cavs in potential 3-team deal. Also want least one draft pick.Jordan Schultz added,
Jordan SchultzVerified account @Schultz_Report
Source: #Cavs trying to work #Suns into a deal. Bledsoe and Chandler would be part of it. Suns want Frank Ntilikina and other picks. https

That guy is a hack. He's literally the only person I've blocked on Twitter.
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Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2017, 07:14:11 PM »

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I assume something else has to be in the works if it's Irving and Melo

does Cav avoid luxury tax if Irving is traded? I wonder who else would be on there? Surely I don't think they expect Rose to be their 4th guy?

Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723074-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-knicks-mulling-moving-star-picks-for-kyrie-irving

Other, more legit sources saying there are discussions around a Irving for Melo deal.

This still doesn't make sense to me with Love there, though. Like, are they really going to either A) move Love to the 5 (awful idea), or B) play Lebron, Melo, and Love at the 2, 3, and 4 (similarly awful idea)? They'd have to move Love in a separate move, and replacing that many key parts, while also downgrading in overall talent and fit, would simply ensure that they don't win the chip next year.
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Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.
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Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723074-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-knicks-mulling-moving-star-picks-for-kyrie-irving

Other, more legit sources saying there are discussions around a Irving for Melo deal.

This still doesn't make sense to me with Love there, though. Like, are they really going to either A) move Love to the 5 (awful idea), or B) play Lebron, Melo, and Love at the 2, 3, and 4 (similarly awful idea)? They'd have to move Love in a separate move, and replacing that many key parts, while also downgrading in overall talent and fit, would simply ensure that they don't win the chip next year.

I was thinking something like moving Irving AND Love. Seems far-fetched, but make it a three-team trade with NYK and MIA. Maybe:

Kyrie to MIA
Love to NYK
Melo/Dragic/Winslow to CLE

It works in trade checker and I'm sure other components such as expiring/picks could be used to make it happen.

Why Miami does it? They get Kyrie to pair with Whiteside and build a nice foundation.

Why New York does it? They get rid of Melo and get a good player in return on a decent contract.

Why Cleveland does it? They get a quality PG who may actually be a better fit with LeBron, and LeBron's buddy Melo to ease the scoring burden that Kyrie leaves. They get a good prospect in Winslow and maybe some picks/unload bad contracts.

I'm sure it would never happen, but I can see how it helps everyone.
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Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.

Yea this would have worked out so much better before Butler and George were traded. Really screwed the Cavs on this one... Great for us...

Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2017, 07:41:41 PM »

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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.

Yea this would have worked out so much better before Butler and George were traded. Really screwed the Cavs on this one... Great for us...

Yeah, we would have been screwed if they had landed Porzingis and Melo, or Paul George for him.

Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.

We're only hearing about this current request now, probably because his silent requests were ignored.

Aldridge reports:

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/07/21/kyrie-irving-seeks-trade-cavaliers-chance-be-leader
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Another league source said that Irving made his initial trade request before last month’s Draft, in hopes of being traded to Chicago and playing with All-Star swingman Jimmy Butler. Just before Griffin and the team decided to part ways, Griffin had been working on a three-team deal that would have brought Butler to the Cavs.

But Chicago traded Butler to Minnesota on Draft night for a package of guards Kris Dunn and Zach LaVine, and the 7th pick overall in the first round.

The fact that Griffin was working lame duck and then let go has got to be a factor in nothing happening here. How can you make such a monumental decision when there's nobody in charge with the authority to make it?

I think they just ignored his trade requests, hoping they'd go away. Now he's made them public to put pressure on the organization, but they still don't technically have to do anything. This is their last chance to impress LeBron though, and Irving being around could make their last title run awkward and doomed before it even begins.
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Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2017, 08:33:27 PM »

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If Irving had spoken up before the draft, the Cavs could have likely gotten Paul George for him. They could instead also have dealt with Phil Jackson and gotten Porzingis and Melo together. Now I don't see them getting good value in a Kyrie deal.

Yea this would have worked out so much better before Butler and George were traded. Really screwed the Cavs on this one... Great for us...

Yeah, we would have been screwed if they had landed Porzingis and Melo, or Paul George for him.
no wonder lebrons been panicking recently

Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
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I wouldn't be surprised that Griffin was working on an Irving trade, Gilbert  got wind of it and fired Griffin

Re: Schultz: Cavs+Knicks in serious talks for Melo/irving trade
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723074-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-knicks-mulling-moving-star-picks-for-kyrie-irving

Other, more legit sources saying there are discussions around a Irving for Melo deal.

This still doesn't make sense to me with Love there, though. Like, are they really going to either A) move Love to the 5 (awful idea), or B) play Lebron, Melo, and Love at the 2, 3, and 4 (similarly awful idea)? They'd have to move Love in a separate move, and replacing that many key parts, while also downgrading in overall talent and fit, would simply ensure that they don't win the chip next year.
Not seeing any quoted sources except Haynes saying NY was a destination Kyrie would be open to and that Schultz guy isn't credible

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