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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #120 on: August 21, 2017, 08:55:38 PM »

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Jason Kidd shot .272, .336, 370, .323 then .400. he had a .461 and a .425. His career was .349. I think smart will get more open looks this year and will be better than a  career .340 shooter IMO.



TP, there are precedents. Artest another one.

TP to both of you. Smart is only 23. He's working hard. It's difficult to believe that he isn't going to become an acceptable shooter.

Please give me their TP's instead since Jayson Kidd had one sub .300 season in his entire career and that was his rookie year. 

We should be proud that Smart has already accomplished something Jayson Kidd and Antoine Walker never could... pull off back to back sub .300 shooting seasons from 3.

Okay let's see, Kidd was born in 1973, which would make him a 21 year old rookie in 1994.

I don't believe in being stingy with TP's so I'm giving you one.

Please consider the possibility that Smart might be 25 before he gets his shooting squared away.

Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #121 on: August 21, 2017, 09:43:11 PM »

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Jason Kidd shot .272, .336, 370, .323 then .400. he had a .461 and a .425. His career was .349. I think smart will get more open looks this year and will be better than a  career .340 shooter IMO.

TP, there are precedents. Artest another one.

Bruce Bowen didn't have his first 40%+ season until age 28. He shot 28% in college and 34% and 29% in his first two seasons.

It's been pointed out before but Smart is actually ok from the corners. He shot 36% on 3s from <24 feet and 25% on longer ones which are mainly from up top. He needs to stop shooting from anywhere but the corners unless he really improves his stroke.

Even with that video posted earlier, I'm not terribly optimistic since like others have said decision-making seems to be playing a role, but you never know.

Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #122 on: August 21, 2017, 10:28:01 PM »

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You guys are naming the exceptions.

Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #123 on: August 21, 2017, 10:46:18 PM »

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You guys are naming the exceptions.

Dude.  Don't you see anything exceptional in Marcus Smart?

Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #124 on: August 22, 2017, 12:44:12 AM »

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You guys are naming the exceptions.

Here is a list of every player since 1999 who had one year, age 23 or lower, with >120 3PA and a shooting percentage below 30%.

The list also shows their eventual career peak and their career average. (I threw out a few guys who were out of the league by age 25, because we never saw their peak).

Player                    Season   Age   3P%   Peak   Career
Kobe Bryant               2001-02   23   0.25   0.38   0.33
Carmelo Anthony           2005-06   21   0.24   0.40   0.35
Tony Parker               2004-05   22   0.28   0.43   0.33
Stephon Marbury           1999-00   22   0.28   0.38   0.33
Jason Richardson          2003-04   23   0.28   0.41   0.37
Antoine Walker            1999-00   23   0.26   0.37   0.33
DeMar DeRozan             2012-13   23   0.28   0.34   0.28
Josh Smith                2006-07   21   0.25   0.33   0.29
Kyle Lowry                2009-10   23   0.27   0.41   0.36
Monta Ellis               2006-07   21   0.27   0.36   0.31
Ersan Ilyasova            2010-11   23   0.30   0.46   0.37
Raymond Felton            2007-08   23   0.28   0.38   0.33
Landry Fields             2011-12   23   0.26   0.39   0.33
Lou Williams              2008-09   22   0.29   0.37   0.35
Wilson Chandler           2009-10   22   0.27   0.41   0.34
Richard Hamilton          2000-01   22   0.27   0.46   0.35
Jason Terry               1999-00   22   0.29   0.44   0.38
Metta World Peace         2000-01   21   0.29   0.41   0.34
Larry Hughes              1999-00   21   0.23   0.39   0.31
Jamaal Tinsley            2001-02   23   0.24   0.37   0.30
Charlie Villanueva        2007-08   23   0.30   0.39   0.34
Tyreke Evans              2010-11   21   0.29   0.39   0.30
Jordan Crawford           2011-12   23   0.29   0.39   0.31
Sebastian Telfair         2006-07   21   0.29   0.36   0.32
Rasual Butler             2002-03   23   0.29   0.46   0.36
Average                                  0.27   0.40   0.33


So, these data tell us that on average, players like this generally ended up shooting 33% for their careers, and had at least one season in the 40% range (usually later in their careers).


Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #125 on: August 22, 2017, 01:20:16 AM »

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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #126 on: August 22, 2017, 01:24:23 AM »

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You guys are naming the exceptions.

Here is a list of every player since 1999 who had one year, age 23 or lower, with >120 3PA and a shooting percentage below 30%.

The list also shows their eventual career peak and their career average. (I threw out a few guys who were out of the league by age 25, because we never saw their peak).

Player                    Season   Age   3P%   Peak   Career
Kobe Bryant               2001-02   23   0.25   0.38   0.33
Carmelo Anthony           2005-06   21   0.24   0.40   0.35
Tony Parker               2004-05   22   0.28   0.43   0.33
Stephon Marbury           1999-00   22   0.28   0.38   0.33
Jason Richardson          2003-04   23   0.28   0.41   0.37
Antoine Walker            1999-00   23   0.26   0.37   0.33
DeMar DeRozan             2012-13   23   0.28   0.34   0.28
Josh Smith                2006-07   21   0.25   0.33   0.29
Kyle Lowry                2009-10   23   0.27   0.41   0.36
Monta Ellis               2006-07   21   0.27   0.36   0.31
Ersan Ilyasova            2010-11   23   0.30   0.46   0.37
Raymond Felton            2007-08   23   0.28   0.38   0.33
Landry Fields             2011-12   23   0.26   0.39   0.33
Lou Williams              2008-09   22   0.29   0.37   0.35
Wilson Chandler           2009-10   22   0.27   0.41   0.34
Richard Hamilton          2000-01   22   0.27   0.46   0.35
Jason Terry               1999-00   22   0.29   0.44   0.38
Metta World Peace         2000-01   21   0.29   0.41   0.34
Larry Hughes              1999-00   21   0.23   0.39   0.31
Jamaal Tinsley            2001-02   23   0.24   0.37   0.30
Charlie Villanueva        2007-08   23   0.30   0.39   0.34
Tyreke Evans              2010-11   21   0.29   0.39   0.30
Jordan Crawford           2011-12   23   0.29   0.39   0.31
Sebastian Telfair         2006-07   21   0.29   0.36   0.32
Rasual Butler             2002-03   23   0.29   0.46   0.36
Average                                  0.27   0.40   0.33


So, these data tell us that on average, players like this generally ended up shooting 33% for their careers, and had at least one season in the 40% range (usually later in their careers).

TP. Lowry looks like a great example for hope.

26%, 27%, 27% and now over 36% for his entire career, including 41% last year on 7+ attempts.
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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #127 on: August 22, 2017, 03:08:55 AM »

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I am hoping that Smart reaches one of these best case scenarios and becomes a 2-way force. One thing we can notice, that isn't in his favor, is his physical playstyle. All those strong 2-handed takeaways, ball slaps, the floor dives, crashing the offensive glass "on his head" and the extra muscle he carries (and uses). These are all stuff that take away your touch but help your hustle. You can't have both (at least MS can't, Kawhi, MJ and rare HOF guys can), to be a maul and to be a finesse feather at once.

But he is a mini Ron Artest (I always viewed him in that light), a guy that can lock down the opponents main threat, and still hit a dagger three to secure the championship. Even if he is 0/4 till that point.
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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #128 on: August 22, 2017, 09:52:30 AM »

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Jason Kidd shot .272, .336, 370, .323 then .400. he had a .461 and a .425. His career was .349. I think smart will get more open looks this year and will be better than a  career .340 shooter IMO.

TP, there are precedents. Artest another one.

TP to both of you. Smart is only 23. He's working hard. It's difficult to believe that he isn't going to become an acceptable shooter.

Please give me their TP's instead since Jayson Kidd had one sub .300 season in his entire career and that was his rookie year. 

We should be proud that Smart has already accomplished something Jayson Kidd and Antoine Walker never could... pull off back to back sub .300 shooting seasons from 3.
If Smart jump starts off his great playoff game. He can become a shooter. He took alot of shots with the clock winding down. He will have more open looks with Heyward on the flloor. No excuses this year. People always Said Kidd would never shoot the three well. He proved them wrong. I feel Smart will to because he will put in the work like Kidd did that is why i used the comparison of Kidd.
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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #129 on: September 06, 2017, 06:34:23 PM »

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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #130 on: September 06, 2017, 06:39:31 PM »

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So for a supposed hard worker, why is the light only now turning on in terms of weight.  Hopefully this is true because dude was positively fat last year.

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« Reply #131 on: September 06, 2017, 06:43:22 PM »

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So for a supposed hard worker, why is the light only now turning on in terms of weight.  Hopefully this is true because dude was positively fat last year.

Do you think he kept the weight on last year accidentally? He was playing a ton of SF last year
I'm bitter.

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« Reply #132 on: September 06, 2017, 06:49:08 PM »

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So for a supposed hard worker, why is the light only now turning on in terms of weight.  Hopefully this is true because dude was positively fat last year.

Do you think he kept the weight on last year accidentally? He was playing a ton of SF last year

Yeah hope he stays in the backcourt this year.

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« Reply #133 on: September 06, 2017, 06:51:06 PM »

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So for a supposed hard worker, why is the light only now turning on in terms of weight.  Hopefully this is true because dude was positively fat last year.

Did you see his shooting? He had a lot to work on besides his fitness!

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« Reply #134 on: September 06, 2017, 06:57:36 PM »

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So for a supposed hard worker, why is the light only now turning on in terms of weight.  Hopefully this is true because dude was positively fat last year.

Do you think he kept the weight on last year accidentally? He was playing a ton of SF last year

But there is a difference between muscle and fat. While Marcus has always been truly strong, I am not convinced that being pudgy benefited him last season. Yes, he played a little SF last year, but he was still mainly a guard. With his tenacious play, having a strong 220lb guy instead of a fat 240lb is more important almost every time (except as an offensive lineman).

I am happy to see him putting in the work. While I doubt he will turn into Kyrie Irving on the offensive side of the ball, he should hopefully be a little more effective on basket cuts and it should help him better maintain his already high level defensive effort.