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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2017, 09:08:58 PM »

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We've got 56 million a year locked up in Al Horford and Gordon Hayward people, there is 0% chance we are resigning Smart.

Make your farewells and make them quickly.

Never say never. Smart averaged over 30 mpg last year for the #1 seeded team in the EC. Of course I would like to get him for a discount or have him transform into a surefire all-star, but this is not the same as Olynyk. The only year we tanked was in 13-14 and we drafted Smart. He has been a major part of our rotation for three years and we traded away the #1 pick who would have likely replaced him.
Keeping him would be awesome, but say we give IT $30 million/yr. If Smart commands $18 million, that would be nearly $50 million in point guards, and  a luxury tax of over $40 million.

Simply no way we can keep MS unless something happens like injury that keeps us from re-upping IT. We can't sink big $$ into all these rookies, plus 2 potential high picks next year, IT, Al, and GH and then keep MS on top of that.

$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

The ceiling for Marcus Smart on-court, IMHO, is Andre Iguodala. Iggy didn't even get that type of money in free agency.
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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2017, 09:22:22 PM »

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$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

Celticsblog also thought Sullinger and Olynyk would both cash in and I believe some even thought KO would make 20 million a year,  18 mil a year for a guy who can't shoot, is just as off base.    The one given here is that guys on the blog over value our guys.  It is almost a given at this point.

Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2017, 09:33:29 PM »

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$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

Celticsblog also thought Sullinger and Olynyk would both cash in and I believe some even thought KO would make 20 million a year,  18 mil a year for a guy who can't shoot, is just as off base.    The one given here is that guys on the blog over value our guys.  It is almost a given at this point.

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I think Marcus is worth an extension, but anything over $11-12m a year is a stretch.
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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2017, 09:55:42 PM »

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He looks great, I hope he is shooting threes too.

I wish there was a good way to practice finishing at the rim. I think that's where he needs the most improvement.

Hopefully the tighter bod will give him a little more lift going to the hoop (and a little more confidence as not to fall backwards/sideways on every attempt). He needs to take some notes out of Jaylen's book who has seemingly turned into a pretty elite finisher, even through contact, in a very short amount of time. I think it would be impossible to emulate IT's game.

As for Smart himself, I hope he either has a total break-out year or a pretty 'meh' year. I would very much like to keep him and I think these are the only two ways that happens.

Yeah, I'm hoping a breakout year, because star-level Smart makes us an actual title contender.  I'm not sure we get to keep him even with a meh year.

Smart's best comp might be TA post-injury. Not enough quickness/hops to slash/finish, not a shooter, defensive impact player.  Better handle and passer, but only average at each instead of sucky. Offensive game only rises to 'competent backup' level.

I like him enough, but not more than the mid level he could be replaced with.

Ainge - if we end up using all the picks - is taking as many shots as he can at finding star players. There aren't many of those, and some drafts don't really have any. So we're going to see a lot of good-not-great players come through, and be let go, to make room to get a long look at the next upstart.

We are going to have to get used to letting go.

I do think TA is a decent present-moment comp remembering (as you did) not to over-hype TA's skills (his handle and his decision-making made him pretty dangerous, in a bad way, with the ball).

The thing is Marcus Smart is currently 2 month younger than Tony Allen was at the start of TAs rookie season.   Marcus' ceiling still soars beyond Tony Allen's prime.  With that said, I do think that this year is the year we should see what Marcus could be. If it's the same Marcus with no improvement/consistency on the offensive end, I'll begin the acceptance phase...

Good points. I forget how young these guys are when they come in the league now. Makes it harder to get a good idea how guys will turn out. He doesn't make me cringe every time he touches the ball like Tony did, doesn't pass to people in the stands, and is less likely to chuck an airball. But he is still a bench role player (since 4 starters need to be all stars these days). MLE offers of $8-9M will be there, but it's going to get tight going above that. Contracts based on projecting him as a star seem to lack any basis for locking up cap space in such a player. We won't.

Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2017, 10:00:06 PM »

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We've got 56 million a year locked up in Al Horford and Gordon Hayward people, there is 0% chance we are resigning Smart.

Make your farewells and make them quickly.
I refuse to do what you say, he will resign
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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2017, 10:05:48 PM »

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This is the first time where a "Look at this dude's transformation" thread has come up and it's actually been legitimate. Smart passes the eyeball test.

I would say he has gone from 16-17% body fat to 11-12% in the last 2 months.
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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2017, 10:11:46 PM »

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$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

Celticsblog also thought Sullinger and Olynyk would both cash in and I believe some even thought KO would make 20 million a year,  18 mil a year for a guy who can't shoot, is just as off base.    The one given here is that guys on the blog over value our guys.  It is almost a given at this point.

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I think Marcus is worth an extension, but anything over $11-12m a year is a stretch.

If we can sign him for 12 or under, that will end up being an epic steal.  Feel free to quote me.

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« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2017, 10:13:12 PM »

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We've got 56 million a year locked up in Al Horford and Gordon Hayward people, there is 0% chance we are resigning Smart.

Make your farewells and make them quickly.

People who make absolute statements like this generally turn out to look foolish down the road.

Hell, its foolish to say that right now as it is. There are plenty of scenarios where we resign and keep Smart, especially if his market is limited.

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« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2017, 10:17:55 PM »

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$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

Celticsblog also thought Sullinger and Olynyk would both cash in and I believe some even thought KO would make 20 million a year,  18 mil a year for a guy who can't shoot, is just as off base.    The one given here is that guys on the blog over value our guys.  It is almost a given at this point.

TP.

I think Marcus is worth an extension, but anything over $11-12m a year is a stretch.

I think this number sounds about right. Would you complete a full extension with Smart at $12M a year by October, something like 5/$60M? Do rookies get 5 year extensions off of their rookie deal?

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« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2017, 10:19:36 PM »

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$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

Celticsblog also thought Sullinger and Olynyk would both cash in and I believe some even thought KO would make 20 million a year,  18 mil a year for a guy who can't shoot, is just as off base.    The one given here is that guys on the blog over value our guys.  It is almost a given at this point.

TP.

I think Marcus is worth an extension, but anything over $11-12m a year is a stretch.

I think this number sounds about right. Would you complete a full extension with Smart at $12M a year by October, something like 5/$60M? Do rookies get 5 year extensions off of their rookie deal?
I would sign smart to that deal in a heart beat
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« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2017, 10:42:36 PM »

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$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

Celticsblog also thought Sullinger and Olynyk would both cash in and I believe some even thought KO would make 20 million a year,  18 mil a year for a guy who can't shoot, is just as off base.    The one given here is that guys on the blog over value our guys.  It is almost a given at this point.

TP.

I think Marcus is worth an extension, but anything over $11-12m a year is a stretch.

I think this number sounds about right. Would you complete a full extension with Smart at $12M a year by October, something like 5/$60M? Do rookies get 5 year extensions off of their rookie deal?

5 years is still permissible for rookie extensions, but it seems like teams have skewed away from that for non-max guys.

With that said, I'd offer Marcus the extension Andre Roberson turned down: 4 years, $48m. I think that's fair market value for a great defensive player with significant offensive limitations.
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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2017, 10:51:14 PM »

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$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

Celticsblog also thought Sullinger and Olynyk would both cash in and I believe some even thought KO would make 20 million a year,  18 mil a year for a guy who can't shoot, is just as off base.    The one given here is that guys on the blog over value our guys.  It is almost a given at this point.

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I think Marcus is worth an extension, but anything over $11-12m a year is a stretch.

I think this number sounds about right. Would you complete a full extension with Smart at $12M a year by October, something like 5/$60M? Do rookies get 5 year extensions off of their rookie deal?

5 years is still permissible for rookie extensions, but it seems like teams have skewed away from that for non-max guys.

With that said, I'd offer Marcus the extension Andre Roberson turned down: 4 years, $48m. I think that's fair market value for a great defensive player with significant offensive limitations.

5 years is only allowable if you give them the max.  For the last CBA, you could only give one such player this deal for the entire CBA duration.  This CBA you can do it twice.  In either case, the max requirement limited many teams' desire to do this, especially with a max salary that was very unpredictable for a few seasons.

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« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2017, 10:54:44 PM »

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$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

Celticsblog also thought Sullinger and Olynyk would both cash in and I believe some even thought KO would make 20 million a year,  18 mil a year for a guy who can't shoot, is just as off base.    The one given here is that guys on the blog over value our guys.  It is almost a given at this point.

TP.

I think Marcus is worth an extension, but anything over $11-12m a year is a stretch.

I think this number sounds about right. Would you complete a full extension with Smart at $12M a year by October, something like 5/$60M? Do rookies get 5 year extensions off of their rookie deal?

5 years is still permissible for rookie extensions, but it seems like teams have skewed away from that for non-max guys.

With that said, I'd offer Marcus the extension Andre Roberson turned down: 4 years, $48m. I think that's fair market value for a great defensive player with significant offensive limitations.

5 years is only allowable if you give them the max.  For the last CBA, you could only give one such player this deal for the entire CBA duration.  This CBA you can do it twice.  In either case, the max requirement limited many teams' desire to do this, especially with a max salary that was very unpredictable for a few seasons.

Thanks for the clarification. I had Detroit/KCP in mind when thinking of 5 year extensions. I read they initially offered him 5 years at $80m, but the timing of the offer may have been reported incorrectly.
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Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2017, 11:51:07 PM »

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$18m a year for Marcus?

I'd put his value in restricted free agency in the Andre Roberson range  ($30m over 3 years).

Celticsblog also thought Sullinger and Olynyk would both cash in and I believe some even thought KO would make 20 million a year,  18 mil a year for a guy who can't shoot, is just as off base.    The one given here is that guys on the blog over value our guys.  It is almost a given at this point.

TP.

I think Marcus is worth an extension, but anything over $11-12m a year is a stretch.

I think this number sounds about right. Would you complete a full extension with Smart at $12M a year by October, something like 5/$60M? Do rookies get 5 year extensions off of their rookie deal?

5 years is still permissible for rookie extensions, but it seems like teams have skewed away from that for non-max guys.

With that said, I'd offer Marcus the extension Andre Roberson turned down: 4 years, $48m. I think that's fair market value for a great defensive player with significant offensive limitations.

5 years is only allowable if you give them the max.  For the last CBA, you could only give one such player this deal for the entire CBA duration.  This CBA you can do it twice.  In either case, the max requirement limited many teams' desire to do this, especially with a max salary that was very unpredictable for a few seasons.

Thanks for the clarification. I had Detroit/KCP in mind when thinking of 5 year extensions. I read they initially offered him 5 years at $80m, but the timing of the offer may have been reported incorrectly.

That wasn't an extension, that was an offer made during the free agency period, and so was using Bird rights, which can be for up to 5 years, regardless of dollar amount.  But extensions signed in October of the player's fourth year, as was being discussed with Smart, can only be 5 years if they're max deals.

Re: Smart putting in work with Horford/looks ripped in recent photo
« Reply #74 on: July 23, 2017, 01:19:35 AM »

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I think we definitely resign Smart. 12m/yr sounds like a believable outcome.
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