Rozier Time to shine or Fadeaway

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I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

[Beat LA]

Rozier can do better , he needs more court time , to slow the game down . When he knows what play to run or exactly what to do with the ball , totally decided , then he seems to play well.   When the play unwinds poorly  , he seems lost for too many seconds deciding what to do next.,  then comes a poor shot or totally busted play.,   Maybe experience will smooth out his half court game.

I kinda think Etwain Moore when imsee him play .   I think Rozier like Moore sticks around ,  but not sure he can make the jump to starter .

I'd much rather have E'Twaun.

[Granath]

I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

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I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

[SHAQATTACK]

Rozier can do better , he needs more court time , to slow the game down . When he knows what play to run or exactly what to do with the ball , totally decided , then he seems to play well.   When the play unwinds poorly  , he seems lost for too many seconds deciding what to do next.,  then comes a poor shot or totally busted play.,   Maybe experience will smooth out his half court game.

I kinda think Etwain Moore when imsee him play .   I think Rozier like Moore sticks around ,  but not sure he can make the jump to starter .

I'd much rather have E'Twaun.

oops  .    sorry

i really botched that spelling of his name. ....oh 

[saltlover]

I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

Except in the season in which Bradley turned 23, he shot 39.5% from 3, compared with Rozier's 31.8% from 3.  Now, AB did turn 23 earlier in the season than Terry, but Rozier is about half a season behind him in the development curve, so hopefully he catches up this year.  I'm a fan and hope he does.

[RJ87]

I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

Apples and oranges. Even when Avery was a below average offensive player, you knew you were getting good defense with him. Avery couldn't shoot but he took the starting job from Ray because he impacted the game defensively and you knew he would.

And that's where I hesitate with Rozier - he doesn't have that one skill that he does well enough to stomach playing him through the hiccups. He doesn't have a calling card.

[saltlover]

I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

Apples and oranges. Even when Avery was a below average offensive player, you knew you were getting good defense with him. Avery couldn't shoot but he took the starting job from Ray because he impacted the game defensively and you knew he would.

And that's where I hesitate with Rozier - he doesn't have that one skill that he does well enough to stomach playing him through the hiccups. He doesn't have a calling card.

I love watching him rebound, personally.  I'm not sure you want rebounding to be a 6'2" guard's calling card, but he's terrific at it all the same.

[Beat LA]

Rozier can do better , he needs more court time , to slow the game down . When he knows what play to run or exactly what to do with the ball , totally decided , then he seems to play well.   When the play unwinds poorly  , he seems lost for too many seconds deciding what to do next.,  then comes a poor shot or totally busted play.,   Maybe experience will smooth out his half court game.

I kinda think Etwain Moore when imsee him play .   I think Rozier like Moore sticks around ,  but not sure he can make the jump to starter .

I'd much rather have E'Twaun.

oops  .    sorry

i really botched that spelling of his name. ....oh 

I wouldn't worry about it.

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I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

Apples and oranges. Even when Avery was a below average offensive player, you knew you were getting good defense with him. Avery couldn't shoot but he took the starting job from Ray because he impacted the game defensively and you knew he would.

And that's where I hesitate with Rozier - he doesn't have that one skill that he does well enough to stomach playing him through the hiccups. He doesn't have a calling card.

Missing the point.

It's: prematurely judging the development of a very talented guy on a rookie contract who has only had a highly inconsistent role off the bench in his first two seasons is dumb.

[Granath]

I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

Apples and oranges. Even when Avery was a below average offensive player, you knew you were getting good defense with him. Avery couldn't shoot but he took the starting job from Ray because he impacted the game defensively and you knew he would.

And that's where I hesitate with Rozier - he doesn't have that one skill that he does well enough to stomach playing him through the hiccups. He doesn't have a calling card.

Missing the point.

It's: prematurely judging the development of a very talented guy on a rookie contract who has only had a highly inconsistent role off the bench in his first two seasons is dumb.

Actually, you missed the point.

I simply gave my opinion on some of his limitations and the lack of progress on those seen in the last two years. That's not dumb, it's simply an opinion based on observable data. Just because someone doesn't agree with your rosy projection doesn't mean they're incorrect. I've explained the reasoning behind my opinion. You've failed to explain why you are so optimistic on his future growth. Maybe you'd be better off doing that rather than trying to dismiss it as "dumb".

Also your comparison with Bradley isn't a particularly good one. If someone were to evaluate both prospects after their 2nd year, Bradley would easily be the more valuable commodity. At that point he had already demonstrated that he could stop starters on defense, started 1/3rd of a season on a championship caliber team, would be a year and a half younger and shot better from the field.

I hope TerryR turns into something special but I'm not seeing any reason to be optimistic beyond the fact that Danny didn't want to trade him last year.

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I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

Apples and oranges. Even when Avery was a below average offensive player, you knew you were getting good defense with him. Avery couldn't shoot but he took the starting job from Ray because he impacted the game defensively and you knew he would.

And that's where I hesitate with Rozier - he doesn't have that one skill that he does well enough to stomach playing him through the hiccups. He doesn't have a calling card.

Missing the point.

It's: prematurely judging the development of a very talented guy on a rookie contract who has only had a highly inconsistent role off the bench in his first two seasons is dumb.

Actually, you missed the point.

I simply gave my opinion on some of his limitations and the lack of progress on those seen in the last two years. That's not dumb, it's simply an opinion based on observable data. Just because someone doesn't agree with your rosy projection doesn't mean they're incorrect. I've explained the reasoning behind my opinion. You've failed to explain why you are so optimistic on his future growth. Maybe you'd be better off doing that rather than trying to dismiss it as "dumb".

Also your comparison with Bradley isn't a particularly good one. If someone were to evaluate both prospects after their 2nd year, Bradley would easily be the more valuable commodity. At that point he had already demonstrated that he could stop starters on defense, started 1/3rd of a season on a championship caliber team, would be a year and a half younger and shot better from the field.

I hope TerryR turns into something special but I'm not seeing any reason to be optimistic beyond the fact that Danny didn't want to trade him last year.

You made your point, I made mine. All good.

[kmart12]

I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

Apples and oranges. Even when Avery was a below average offensive player, you knew you were getting good defense with him. Avery couldn't shoot but he took the starting job from Ray because he impacted the game defensively and you knew he would.

And that's where I hesitate with Rozier - he doesn't have that one skill that he does well enough to stomach playing him through the hiccups. He doesn't have a calling card.

Missing the point.

It's: prematurely judging the development of a very talented guy on a rookie contract who has only had a highly inconsistent role off the bench in his first two seasons is dumb.

Actually, you missed the point.

I simply gave my opinion on some of his limitations and the lack of progress on those seen in the last two years. That's not dumb, it's simply an opinion based on observable data. Just because someone doesn't agree with your rosy projection doesn't mean they're incorrect. I've explained the reasoning behind my opinion. You've failed to explain why you are so optimistic on his future growth. Maybe you'd be better off doing that rather than trying to dismiss it as "dumb".

Also your comparison with Bradley isn't a particularly good one. If someone were to evaluate both prospects after their 2nd year, Bradley would easily be the more valuable commodity. At that point he had already demonstrated that he could stop starters on defense, started 1/3rd of a season on a championship caliber team, would be a year and a half younger and shot better from the field.

I hope TerryR turns into something special but I'm not seeing any reason to be optimistic beyond the fact that Danny didn't want to trade him last year.

I'm also curious to know how Rozier is "very talented". I get that Danny reached for him in the draft and we want to justify that decision by buying into his belief regarding his upside, but unless we're all watching different games, I haven't seen it in an actual NBA game. I think it's great that he's athletic, but outside of his athleticism, rebounding for his position, and occasional defensive showing, I don't think there's much to be excited about here.

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I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

Apples and oranges. Even when Avery was a below average offensive player, you knew you were getting good defense with him. Avery couldn't shoot but he took the starting job from Ray because he impacted the game defensively and you knew he would.

And that's where I hesitate with Rozier - he doesn't have that one skill that he does well enough to stomach playing him through the hiccups. He doesn't have a calling card.

I love watching him rebound, personally.  I'm not sure you want rebounding to be a 6'2" guard's calling card, but he's terrific at it all the same.

I like watching him get to the cup, myself. A refreshing change from watching everyone else (other than IT) stand around and chuck 3s.

[RJ87]

I think Rozier is one of the least likely Cs to be traded. I expect him to make a significant jump this season with added minutes.

I really don't have a ton of faith that Rozier will make any kind of significant jump.

His propensity to over-dribble and play the game at a pace that's too fast for him doesn't seem to have corrected itself in the first two years. His PER 36 stats didn't go up too much last year (scoring up but rebounding and assists went down). He shot about as well as Smart did last year and they're about the same age.

Now perhaps getting 1,200 minutes last year helps him develop. I certainly hope he does because if he can improve then he's a great replacement for Smart's impending FA. With all that said, Danny certainly seems to see something in him considering he wouldn't include him in a trade deal for Noel. So maybe he's getting better and we'll see a vastly improved version on the court.

A lot of the same stuff was said about Avery Bradley at this point in his respective career.

Apples and oranges. Even when Avery was a below average offensive player, you knew you were getting good defense with him. Avery couldn't shoot but he took the starting job from Ray because he impacted the game defensively and you knew he would.

And that's where I hesitate with Rozier - he doesn't have that one skill that he does well enough to stomach playing him through the hiccups. He doesn't have a calling card.

Missing the point.

It's: prematurely judging the development of a very talented guy on a rookie contract who has only had a highly inconsistent role off the bench in his first two seasons is dumb.

The hallmark of any worthy celticsblog discussion is when people resort to insulting your intelligence. Kudos for elevating the topic.

Terry Rozier could be a great role player some day, but I don't see anything him to this point. That is my opinion. You brought up Avery Bradley and it makes for an interesting comparison. Yes, some people wrote off Avery early but in his 2nd season, he distinguished himself as a willing and rugged defender. His full court pressure reinvigorated a stagnant team and Doc HAD to play him. Avery was younger, too.

I appreciate Terry's rebounding myself as it's a nice breath of fresh air on a team that really struggles at that. But again, I'm not sure he's special enough at it that you have to play him.

With that said, maybe Terry turns the corner this season. Maybe he becomes whatever it is inefficient guards from college with streaky shots are supposed to become in the NBA. I'm not rooting for the kid to fail by any stretch. I just don't have any expectations from him. Any discernible progress he makes this season will be gravy for me.