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Lose Bradley (Trade). Sign Hayward (Free Agency). Upgrade Or Not?

Huge Upgrade
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Slight Upgrade Only
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Pretty Much The Same, Honestly
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We Took A Step Back. Hayward Is (Really) Overrated/Bradley Underrated
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Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2017, 11:33:10 AM »

Offline RockinRyA

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Smart is a big defensive playmaker

He is versatile and can get into peoples skin


But he still gets roasted on defense. He cant keep up all game with quick talented players. Not too many can.

Bradley is a better defender than Smart is. I don't know where people think otherwise. Probably because Bradley is also an offensive player while Smart is ****e in that category.

With that said. On this team, Smart will be maximized. He wont get as many minutes though.

If you get past your Smart hatred you will see that Bradley gets roasted on defense as well. Take for example against Washington, it was clear that Beal was feasting on Bradley and when Smart got on him had a hard time scoring. In the same way that Smart had a rougher time with Wall than Bradley.

Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2017, 12:04:13 PM »

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I think if we have a starting unit of:

IT
Brown
Hayward
Morris
Horford

And then bring in off the bench, in order, Smart, Baynes, Crowder, Tatum, Rozier and make the substitution pattern such that either IT or Gordon or both are on the court at all times. We will be a slightly better defensive team than last year and much better offensive team.

Unfortunately, unless Horford, Morris, Hayward and Brown can all average above 6 rebounds a game while getting 5 a game from Baynes, we are once again going to get killed on the boards.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2017, 12:44:01 PM by nickagneta »

Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2017, 12:27:04 PM »

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I think if we have a starting unit of:

IT
Brown
Hayward
Morris
Horford

And then bring in off the bench, in order, Smart, Baynes, Crowder, Tatum, Rozier and make the substitution pattern such that either IT or Gordon or both are on the court at all times, we will be a slightly better defensive team than last year and much better offensive team.

Unfortunately, unless Horford, Morris, Hayward and Brown can all average above 6 rebounds a game while getting y a game from Baynes, we are once agaun going to get killed on the boards.

I doubt Crowder will come off the bench but that's the lineup I would try (early enough to change if needed).
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Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2017, 12:38:35 PM »

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I think if we have a starting unit of:

IT
Brown
Hayward
Morris
Horford

And then bring in off the bench, in order, Smart, Baynes, Crowder, Tatum, Rozier and make the substitution pattern such that either IT or Gordon or both are on the court at all times, we will be a slightly better defensive team than last year and much better offensive team.

Unfortunately, unless Horford, Morris, Hayward and Brown can all average above 6 rebounds a game while getting y a game from Baynes, we are once agaun going to get killed on the boards.

I doubt Crowder will come off the bench but that's the lineup I would try (early enough to change if needed).

Good with this, but, my guess is Stevens starts Baynes a la Johnson last year. In the above this puts Morris off the bench somewhere.

And yes, Crowder and his agent need him to start and this maybe our "drama" for this season. worse problems than having to decide which hard working team player needs the start on a given night.

Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2017, 01:10:54 PM »

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There is no way Crowder should start at the 4.  Now if Hayward is the 2, then Crowder starting at the 3 makes fine sense.

Stevens will obviously try out lineups, but I think he originally goes with Thomas, Smart, Hayward, Morris, and Horford.  I wouldn't be surprised at any number of lineups in which Brown, Crowder, and Baynes are all in various lineup iterations as a starter though.
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Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2017, 02:48:38 PM »

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There is no way Crowder should start at the 4.  Now if Hayward is the 2, then Crowder starting at the 3 makes fine sense.

Stevens will obviously try out lineups, but I think he originally goes with Thomas, Smart, Hayward, Morris, and Horford.  I wouldn't be surprised at any number of lineups in which Brown, Crowder, and Baynes are all in various lineup iterations as a starter though.

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Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2017, 02:53:08 PM »

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There is no way Crowder should start at the 4.  Now if Hayward is the 2, then Crowder starting at the 3 makes fine sense.

Stevens will obviously try out lineups, but I think he originally goes with Thomas, Smart, Hayward, Morris, and Horford.  I wouldn't be surprised at any number of lineups in which Brown, Crowder, and Baynes are all in various lineup iterations as a starter though.

Bigs-Wings-Ball Handlers. There is no more traditional 1-5 anymore. Get use to it.
Why, because Brad S said so? Did someone send the memo to the other 29 teams so that they would kindly not field SGs and PFs against us this season?

P.S. Also, you're missing a category. It's supposedly Ballhandlers-Swings-Wings-Bigs.
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Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2017, 02:57:48 PM »

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There is no way Crowder should start at the 4.  Now if Hayward is the 2, then Crowder starting at the 3 makes fine sense.

Stevens will obviously try out lineups, but I think he originally goes with Thomas, Smart, Hayward, Morris, and Horford.  I wouldn't be surprised at any number of lineups in which Brown, Crowder, and Baynes are all in various lineup iterations as a starter though.

Bigs-Wings-Ball Handlers. There is no more traditional 1-5 anymore. Get use to it.
Why, because Brad S said so? Did someone send the memo to the other 29 teams so that they would kindly not field SGs and PFs against us this season?

They're welcome to send all the 6'4" SGs and stiff 6'10" PFs they like, and we'll see who wins.

Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2017, 03:08:54 PM »

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They're welcome to send all the 6'4" SGs and stiff 6'10" PFs they like, and we'll see who wins.
I can't wait to watch Hayward trying to stay with Bradley Beal and Morris banging it out with Tristan Thompson. It will be grand.  8)
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Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2017, 03:14:36 PM »

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They're welcome to send all the 6'4" SGs and stiff 6'10" PFs they like, and we'll see who wins.
Yes, I can't wait to watch Hayward trying to stay with Bradley Beal and Morris banging it out with Tristan Thompson. It will be grand.  8)

Tristan Thompson was very much a center last year, and given that the Cavs haven't changed much of their roster, should be again this year.

And I can't wait to see Bradley Beal hang with Gordon Hayward, also.

Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2017, 03:17:50 PM »

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They're welcome to send all the 6'4" SGs and stiff 6'10" PFs they like, and we'll see who wins.
Yes, I can't wait to watch Hayward trying to stay with Bradley Beal and Morris banging it out with Tristan Thompson. It will be grand.  8)

Tristan Thompson was very much a center last year, and given that the Cavs haven't changed much of their roster, should be again this year.

And I can't wait to see Bradley Beal hang with Gordon Hayward, also.
Ok, we'll put Horford on Thompson, and Morris will have to stay with Love... somehow this rearrangement doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.
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Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2017, 03:23:47 PM »

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They're welcome to send all the 6'4" SGs and stiff 6'10" PFs they like, and we'll see who wins.
Yes, I can't wait to watch Hayward trying to stay with Bradley Beal and Morris banging it out with Tristan Thompson. It will be grand.  8)

Tristan Thompson was very much a center last year, and given that the Cavs haven't changed much of their roster, should be again this year.

And I can't wait to see Bradley Beal hang with Gordon Hayward, also.
Ok, we'll put Horford on Thompson, and Morris will have to stay with Love... somehow this rearrangement doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.

I'm actually very interested to see Morris on Love, for one.  But more importantly, your positional hangup completely misses the goal of having three guys on the court at the same time who can defend LeBron, which will somewhat limit the Cavs go-to LeBron PnR plays, and keep his defenders a bit fresher.

You don't beat the Cavs in the playoffs by stopping Love or Thompson.  You beat them by stopping LeBron.  And that's what the revolving door of 6'6" to 6'9" defenders gives you a chance to do.  If Love beats you, you tip your cap.  The game plan should always be make someone other than LeBron beat you.

Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2017, 03:23:51 PM »

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They're welcome to send all the 6'4" SGs and stiff 6'10" PFs they like, and we'll see who wins.
Yes, I can't wait to watch Hayward trying to stay with Bradley Beal and Morris banging it out with Tristan Thompson. It will be grand.  8)

Tristan Thompson was very much a center last year, and given that the Cavs haven't changed much of their roster, should be again this year.

And I can't wait to see Bradley Beal hang with Gordon Hayward, also.
Ok, we'll put Horford on Thompson, and Morris will have to stay with Love... somehow this rearrangement doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.

Get's me all warm and tingly.  It's a big improvement over having Amir out there.

Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2017, 04:03:05 PM »

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They're welcome to send all the 6'4" SGs and stiff 6'10" PFs they like, and we'll see who wins.
Yes, I can't wait to watch Hayward trying to stay with Bradley Beal and Morris banging it out with Tristan Thompson. It will be grand.  8)

Tristan Thompson was very much a center last year, and given that the Cavs haven't changed much of their roster, should be again this year.

And I can't wait to see Bradley Beal hang with Gordon Hayward, also.
Ok, we'll put Horford on Thompson, and Morris will have to stay with Love... somehow this rearrangement doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.

I'm actually very interested to see Morris on Love, for one.  But more importantly, your positional hangup completely misses the goal of having three guys on the court at the same time who can defend LeBron, which will somewhat limit the Cavs go-to LeBron PnR plays, and keep his defenders a bit fresher.

You don't beat the Cavs in the playoffs by stopping Love or Thompson.  You beat them by stopping LeBron.  And that's what the revolving door of 6'6" to 6'9" defenders gives you a chance to do.  If Love beats you, you tip your cap.  The game plan should always be make someone other than LeBron beat you.
So why not just field 5 guys that can guard LeBron on switches? Where does it stop?
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Re: I Feel Like People Are Overrating Bradley/Underrating Hayward
« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2017, 04:10:22 PM »

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They're welcome to send all the 6'4" SGs and stiff 6'10" PFs they like, and we'll see who wins.
Yes, I can't wait to watch Hayward trying to stay with Bradley Beal and Morris banging it out with Tristan Thompson. It will be grand.  8)

Tristan Thompson was very much a center last year, and given that the Cavs haven't changed much of their roster, should be again this year.

And I can't wait to see Bradley Beal hang with Gordon Hayward, also.
Ok, we'll put Horford on Thompson, and Morris will have to stay with Love... somehow this rearrangement doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.

I'm actually very interested to see Morris on Love, for one.  But more importantly, your positional hangup completely misses the goal of having three guys on the court at the same time who can defend LeBron, which will somewhat limit the Cavs go-to LeBron PnR plays, and keep his defenders a bit fresher.

You don't beat the Cavs in the playoffs by stopping Love or Thompson.  You beat them by stopping LeBron.  And that's what the revolving door of 6'6" to 6'9" defenders gives you a chance to do.  If Love beats you, you tip your cap.  The game plan should always be make someone other than LeBron beat you.
So why not just field 5 guys that can guard LeBron on switches? Where does it stop?

I would not be surprised to see that lineup at least for small bits.  Smart-Brown-Hayward-Crowder-Morris is a perfectly reasonable lineup, especially considering the Cavs run LeBron as a de facto center sometimes.

So it probably stops at 6 guys who can guard LeBron, since that's against the rules.