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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2017, 05:41:50 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.
You can absolutely evaluate the medical staff of a team. I don't think it's ridiculous at all.

As a MD, you Mahcus Smaht, may be able to.

As a PT student, I am miles away from judging them. I might be able to judge the medical team better than I would judge a nuclear physicist, but just barely. Even though I'm studying anatomy around the clock (when I'm not procrastinating on this site), I'm still way out of my element.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2017, 05:47:14 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.
You can absolutely evaluate the medical staff of a team. I don't think it's ridiculous at all.

As a MD, you Mahcus Smaht, may be able to.

As a PT student, I am miles away from judging them. I might be able to judge the medical team better than I would judge a nuclear physicist, but just barely. Even though I'm studying anatomy around the clock (when I'm not procrastinating on this site), I'm still way out of my element.

Can you judge something like this?

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WALTHAM -- Al Jefferson knew of the growing perception about him and didn't like it one bit. The thing he disliked most was that, with the recurring pain in his right ankle, he couldn't do anything about it.

At the Toshiba Vegas Summer League last month -- more than five months after spraining the ankle -- Jefferson was still having soreness. It would feel better for a few weeks, then the pain would return. He would start to move like he wanted to again, then he would have to shut it down for a few days.

The worst part was that it was an injury that was supposed to take three weeks to heal and nobody could tell him why that wasn't fully happening.

"It frustrated me a lot because a lot of people were saying that I was faking it," Jefferson said yesterday. "Or that I wasn't tough enough. This and that. But it kept giving me problems. It became a big problem over the summer. I started thinking: [dang], there's no way I will be ready for camp."

It was the week after he returned from Las Vegas when Jefferson said he reached a tipping point. Unable to walk without pain during a brief return to his home in Mississippi, he scheduled another in the series of MRIs that dated back to the original injury. He said the latest one finally did reveal significant swelling and led to a CAT scan that diagnosed bone chips in the ankle.

"That was right before I was going to New York for a second opinion," he said. "They saw it, too. Everyone agreed that I needed surgery (as soon as possible)."

That surgery was two weeks ago at New England Baptist Hospital and Jefferson said he could see an immediate difference.

"They did a lot of work on the ankle with shaving the bone and everything and they thought it would be fat or swollen afterwards," he said. "But the only way you could tell I had the surgery was the stitches."

Since getting back on his feet last week, Jefferson has spent almost every day at the team's Waltham training facility working out with the strength and conditioning staff while wearing a boot on his foot. He said he intends to keep fit so that he can return to the court within three to five weeks and be ready for the opening of training camp in October.

While the ongoing ankle pain stole nearly half of his second season, Jefferson seems to have put aside any bitterness about why it took so long to find out the source of his discomfort.

"At first I was thinking that if this was it we could have had the surgery in May or June," he said. "But it's not their fault because everybody was looking at the same (MRIs) and it didn't show up.

"I am just glad that we found the problem," he concluded. "We can put it behind us and now we can get ready for the next season."

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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2017, 05:50:51 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.

First, I would tend to defer to Roy who probably knows recent C's history as well as anyone on this board!! 

Second, Roy or anyone else has a right to express his or her opinion as long as he or she does so in a respectful fashion (I know Roy, funny coming from me:-))!!  Matter of fact, Roy probably has a right to express his opinion more than anyone except for perhaps the revered Jeff Clark!!

Third, Roy was in NO WAY petty.  He expressed his opinion and then back up his opinion with three SPECIFIC examples.

Thanks so much for your years of service and I wish you nothing but the best as our Celtics move in a new direction.

Smitty77

P.S.  Sorry for speaking for you Roy, but that sort of got under my skin.

I know that you were responding to the other poster.

I think you're making my point. Just because Roy knows a ton about the Celtics doesn't mean he knows a ton about the medical field.

There was a post titled "Do you believe in global warming?", and the same logic applied. If you don't have an advanced degree or experience in a complicated field, it is tough to prove your credibility on a given topic. My answer to that post was "It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not- the experts have told us what they have researched".

I believe I remember reading that Roy is an attorney. What if I started criticizing certain attorneys for certain actions that I might not understand? How would this be perceived?

Forums are a great place for people to voice their opinions without consequence. They are also a good place to call people out if you think that they are out of their element, and what they are saying doesn't make sense to you. Respectfully. Hopefully I have stayed respectful.

« Last Edit: July 15, 2017, 05:59:01 PM by green_bballers13 »

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2017, 05:57:34 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.
You can absolutely evaluate the medical staff of a team. I don't think it's ridiculous at all.

As a MD, you Mahcus Smaht, may be able to.

As a PT student, I am miles away from judging them. I might be able to judge the medical team better than I would judge a nuclear physicist, but just barely. Even though I'm studying anatomy around the clock (when I'm not procrastinating on this site), I'm still way out of my element.

Can you judge something like this?

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WALTHAM -- Al Jefferson knew of the growing perception about him and didn't like it one bit. The thing he disliked most was that, with the recurring pain in his right ankle, he couldn't do anything about it.

At the Toshiba Vegas Summer League last month -- more than five months after spraining the ankle -- Jefferson was still having soreness. It would feel better for a few weeks, then the pain would return. He would start to move like he wanted to again, then he would have to shut it down for a few days.

The worst part was that it was an injury that was supposed to take three weeks to heal and nobody could tell him why that wasn't fully happening.

"It frustrated me a lot because a lot of people were saying that I was faking it," Jefferson said yesterday. "Or that I wasn't tough enough. This and that. But it kept giving me problems. It became a big problem over the summer. I started thinking: [dang], there's no way I will be ready for camp."

It was the week after he returned from Las Vegas when Jefferson said he reached a tipping point. Unable to walk without pain during a brief return to his home in Mississippi, he scheduled another in the series of MRIs that dated back to the original injury. He said the latest one finally did reveal significant swelling and led to a CAT scan that diagnosed bone chips in the ankle.

"That was right before I was going to New York for a second opinion," he said. "They saw it, too. Everyone agreed that I needed surgery (as soon as possible)."

That surgery was two weeks ago at New England Baptist Hospital and Jefferson said he could see an immediate difference.

"They did a lot of work on the ankle with shaving the bone and everything and they thought it would be fat or swollen afterwards," he said. "But the only way you could tell I had the surgery was the stitches."

Since getting back on his feet last week, Jefferson has spent almost every day at the team's Waltham training facility working out with the strength and conditioning staff while wearing a boot on his foot. He said he intends to keep fit so that he can return to the court within three to five weeks and be ready for the opening of training camp in October.

While the ongoing ankle pain stole nearly half of his second season, Jefferson seems to have put aside any bitterness about why it took so long to find out the source of his discomfort.

"At first I was thinking that if this was it we could have had the surgery in May or June," he said. "But it's not their fault because everybody was looking at the same (MRIs) and it didn't show up.

"I am just glad that we found the problem," he concluded. "We can put it behind us and now we can get ready for the next season."

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source:Metro West Daily


I don't think I'm qualified. And unless I missed something, I didn't see Ed Lacerte's name mentioned in that article.

I also don't think that fell under Lacerte's job responsibility. It sounds like the problem occurred at the diagnosis level. Lacerte and his team are responsible for the treatment plan after the orthopaedic specialist assesses the situation. Depending on that diagnosis, the treatment plan can vary. While Lacerte likely can read MRI's, I'm sure he is not the most equipped specialist to do so. This is likely the reason why Al Jefferson went to a MD to diagnose the issue.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2017, 06:07:11 PM »

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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2017, 06:09:25 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.
You can absolutely evaluate the medical staff of a team. I don't think it's ridiculous at all.

As a MD, you Mahcus Smaht, may be able to.

As a PT student, I am miles away from judging them. I might be able to judge the medical team better than I would judge a nuclear physicist, but just barely. Even though I'm studying anatomy around the clock (when I'm not procrastinating on this site), I'm still way out of my element.

Can you judge something like this?

Quote
WALTHAM -- Al Jefferson knew of the growing perception about him and didn't like it one bit. The thing he disliked most was that, with the recurring pain in his right ankle, he couldn't do anything about it.

At the Toshiba Vegas Summer League last month -- more than five months after spraining the ankle -- Jefferson was still having soreness. It would feel better for a few weeks, then the pain would return. He would start to move like he wanted to again, then he would have to shut it down for a few days.

The worst part was that it was an injury that was supposed to take three weeks to heal and nobody could tell him why that wasn't fully happening.

"It frustrated me a lot because a lot of people were saying that I was faking it," Jefferson said yesterday. "Or that I wasn't tough enough. This and that. But it kept giving me problems. It became a big problem over the summer. I started thinking: [dang], there's no way I will be ready for camp."

It was the week after he returned from Las Vegas when Jefferson said he reached a tipping point. Unable to walk without pain during a brief return to his home in Mississippi, he scheduled another in the series of MRIs that dated back to the original injury. He said the latest one finally did reveal significant swelling and led to a CAT scan that diagnosed bone chips in the ankle.

"That was right before I was going to New York for a second opinion," he said. "They saw it, too. Everyone agreed that I needed surgery (as soon as possible)."

That surgery was two weeks ago at New England Baptist Hospital and Jefferson said he could see an immediate difference.

"They did a lot of work on the ankle with shaving the bone and everything and they thought it would be fat or swollen afterwards," he said. "But the only way you could tell I had the surgery was the stitches."

Since getting back on his feet last week, Jefferson has spent almost every day at the team's Waltham training facility working out with the strength and conditioning staff while wearing a boot on his foot. He said he intends to keep fit so that he can return to the court within three to five weeks and be ready for the opening of training camp in October.

While the ongoing ankle pain stole nearly half of his second season, Jefferson seems to have put aside any bitterness about why it took so long to find out the source of his discomfort.

"At first I was thinking that if this was it we could have had the surgery in May or June," he said. "But it's not their fault because everybody was looking at the same (MRIs) and it didn't show up.

"I am just glad that we found the problem," he concluded. "We can put it behind us and now we can get ready for the next season."

[More]
source:Metro West Daily


I don't think I'm qualified. And unless I missed something, I didn't see Ed Lacerte's name mentioned in that article.

I also don't think that fell under Lacerte's job responsibility. It sounds like the problem occurred at the diagnosis level. Lacerte and his team are responsible for the treatment plan after the orthopaedic specialist assesses the situation. Depending on that diagnosis, the treatment plan can vary. While Lacerte likely can read MRI's, I'm sure he is not the most equipped specialist to do so. This is likely the reason why Al Jefferson went to a MD to diagnose the issue.

A player under his care, who allegedly suffered a 3-week injury, was still barely able to walk 5 months later. Yet, the player had to self-refer himself for more testing while seeking a second opinion.

The training staff has no authority / responsibility there? That's nonsense.


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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2017, 06:17:19 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.

First, I would tend to defer to Roy who probably knows recent C's history as well as anyone on this board!! 

Second, Roy or anyone else has a right to express his or her opinion as long as he or she does so in a respectful fashion (I know Roy, funny coming from me:-))!!  Matter of fact, Roy probably has a right to express his opinion more than anyone except for perhaps the revered Jeff Clark!!

Third, Roy was in NO WAY petty.  He expressed his opinion and then back up his opinion with three SPECIFIC examples.

Thanks so much for your years of service and I wish you nothing but the best as our Celtics move in a new direction.

Smitty77

P.S.  Sorry for speaking for you Roy, but that sort of got under my skin.
You know, I would tend to agree with you, except for the fact that I found Roy's original post to be disrespectful and without any supporting information ("good riddance").  He has provided support for his opinion post-hoc so I guess that's ok, but this is an example of how such posts can get blown up.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2017, 06:17:48 PM »

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You have to wonder if the upcoming decision on IT's hip may also have something to do with this.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2017, 06:27:55 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.

First, I would tend to defer to Roy who probably knows recent C's history as well as anyone on this board!! 

Second, Roy or anyone else has a right to express his or her opinion as long as he or she does so in a respectful fashion (I know Roy, funny coming from me:-))!!  Matter of fact, Roy probably has a right to express his opinion more than anyone except for perhaps the revered Jeff Clark!!

Third, Roy was in NO WAY petty.  He expressed his opinion and then back up his opinion with three SPECIFIC examples.

Thanks so much for your years of service and I wish you nothing but the best as our Celtics move in a new direction.

Smitty77

P.S.  Sorry for speaking for you Roy, but that sort of got under my skin.
You know, I would tend to agree with you, except for the fact that I found Roy's original post to be disrespectful and without any supporting information ("good riddance").  He has provided support for his opinion post-hoc so I guess that's ok, but this is an example of how such posts can get blown up.

I mean, you're all entitled to your opinions. It cracks me up that some folks think I come to my opinions without any basis, though, or because my favorite players got hurt.

A lot of our guys have returned much more slowly than anticipated from injury. KG. Big Al. Wally. Shaq. AB. Players have missed publicly released time tables by several months. That at least raises concerns, especially with our All-NBA player currently in need of rehab.
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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2017, 06:47:01 PM »

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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2017, 06:58:34 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.
You can absolutely evaluate the medical staff of a team. I don't think it's ridiculous at all.

As a MD, you Mahcus Smaht, may be able to.

As a PT student, I am miles away from judging them. I might be able to judge the medical team better than I would judge a nuclear physicist, but just barely. Even though I'm studying anatomy around the clock (when I'm not procrastinating on this site), I'm still way out of my element.
You don't need to be an expert in a field to evaluate the results.

Should a nuclear physicist only be fireable on the command of another nuclear physicist?

Absurd.

would you agree that Phoenix has an excellent medical staff?

When you have a large enough sample size you can evaluate a medical staff based on results.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2017, 07:30:12 PM »

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To be honest I think this is good. Ed was good but we have had so many issues over the last 5-10 years. Change in this regard is good, we'd become far too comfortable accepting the standard when I think we should be much better
- Renegotiate IT
- Draft Fultz
- Extend the life of this core until the young guys are ready

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2017, 07:47:21 PM »

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The Celts are heavily invested in a new training facility that is on the cutting edge of sports science:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/10/24/celtics-break-ground-new-practice-facility/W5d6Y3TfoN3ZcZBDDvtieJ/amp.html

My guess is that they didn't view Lacerte as the leader for a new era.

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Features of the practices facility will include:

■ Two parquet floor basketball courts

■ Audio-visual technology throughout the facility

■ Expanded strength and conditioning, training, and recovery facilities

■ Locker rooms and players’ lounge

■ Physical therapy areas including hydrotherapy pools

■ Sports science and nutrition facilities

■ Expanded media work room, press conference, and broadcast facilities

■ A flexible hospitality area designed for community relations activities, partner gatherings and other guest events

■ Work space for the team’s coaching and basketball front office staffs


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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2017, 07:58:04 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.

First, I would tend to defer to Roy who probably knows recent C's history as well as anyone on this board!! 

Second, Roy or anyone else has a right to express his or her opinion as long as he or she does so in a respectful fashion (I know Roy, funny coming from me:-))!!  Matter of fact, Roy probably has a right to express his opinion more than anyone except for perhaps the revered Jeff Clark!!

Third, Roy was in NO WAY petty.  He expressed his opinion and then back up his opinion with three SPECIFIC examples.

Thanks so much for your years of service and I wish you nothing but the best as our Celtics move in a new direction.

Smitty77

P.S.  Sorry for speaking for you Roy, but that sort of got under my skin.
You know, I would tend to agree with you, except for the fact that I found Roy's original post to be disrespectful and without any supporting information ("good riddance").  He has provided support for his opinion post-hoc so I guess that's ok, but this is an example of how such posts can get blown up.

I mean, you're all entitled to your opinions. It cracks me up that some folks think I come to my opinions without any basis, though, or because my favorite players got hurt.

A lot of our guys have returned much more slowly than anticipated from injury. KG. Big Al. Wally. Shaw. AB. Players have missed publicly released time tables by several months. That at least raises concerns, especially with our All-NBA player currently in need of rehab.

Your last two posts make more sense to me.

Yes, that Jefferson situation doesn't smell right.

I'm not in love with the idea of a publicly released time table. I think it makes sense to hold back a player if they are not recovering at an expected pace. I'm not sure that I would blame a trainer for a player that is recovering slowly. Not every ACL is the same.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2017, 07:58:19 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.

First, I would tend to defer to Roy who probably knows recent C's history as well as anyone on this board!! 

Second, Roy or anyone else has a right to express his or her opinion as long as he or she does so in a respectful fashion (I know Roy, funny coming from me:-))!!  Matter of fact, Roy probably has a right to express his opinion more than anyone except for perhaps the revered Jeff Clark!!

Third, Roy was in NO WAY petty.  He expressed his opinion and then back up his opinion with three SPECIFIC examples.

Thanks so much for your years of service and I wish you nothing but the best as our Celtics move in a new direction.

Smitty77

P.S.  Sorry for speaking for you Roy, but that sort of got under my skin.
You know, I would tend to agree with you, except for the fact that I found Roy's original post to be disrespectful and without any supporting information ("good riddance").  He has provided support for his opinion post-hoc so I guess that's ok, but this is an example of how such posts can get blown up.

I mean, you're all entitled to your opinions. It cracks me up that some folks think I come to my opinions without any basis, though, or because my favorite players got hurt.

A lot of our guys have returned much more slowly than anticipated from injury. KG. Big Al. Wally. Shaq. AB. Players have missed publicly released time tables by several months. That at least raises concerns, especially with our All-NBA player currently in need of rehab.
Roy, we all recognize you as an excellent authority on all-things-Celtics.  It would just be nice for you to share some of your wisdom with us, so we may all learn something.  You indeed did that and I learned a lot from you in this thread, but only after I and others called you out for having no basis for your assertions.