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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2017, 04:28:07 PM »

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Good riddance.

Why? I would love to hear your rationale on disliking Ed Lacerte.

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What is your issue with Ed, RoyHe has been a good soldier for many, many years and is well-known around the league.  I think he worked for USA basketball too, which is fairly prestigious.  I have a colleague from a previous company who knows him well.  Good guy.  I have not heard one bad thing.

I am pretty surprised about all the negative and unfounded stuff being thrown around on this thread.  Please backup your statements, people!

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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2017, 04:35:19 PM »

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Good riddance.

Why? I would love to hear your rationale on disliking Ed Lacerte.

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What is your issue with Ed, RoyHe has been a good soldier for many, many years and is well-known around the league.  I think he worked for USA basketball too, which is fairly prestigious.  I have a colleague from a previous company who knows him well.  Good guy.  I have not heard one bad thing.

I am pretty surprised about all the negative and unfounded stuff being thrown around on this thread.  Please backup your statements, people!

EDIT: TP to green_bballers13.
gonna assume the kg knee problems 

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2017, 04:39:05 PM »

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Good riddance.

Why? I would love to hear your rationale on disliking Ed Lacerte.

I think Doo is going to stay and might take over. I'm pretty sure he's well liked.

I don't think his team have handled injuries right. IT's could possible been prevented when it first occurred in MArch. As long as the bone isn't misshapen, it's just a matter of rest. He should have been shut down for a few weeks, yes it would have cost us first place, but he'd be working out right now.

There are new ways of doing things. Pitchers are starting to use more heat than ice on shoulders. Blood heals muscles. Cold prevents blood flow, heat increases it. So we need more people who are up to date in the latest training techniques.

1) IT wouldn't want this.
2) Stevens wouldn't want this.
3) Ainge wouldn't want this.


4) The training staff problem had an opinion. Whether Doogie Howser or Donald Duck was on the medical staff, I'm not certain that their opinion was the most important. If they thought that IT was injured enough that his career was in jeopardy, I'm sure he would have rested more.

One could make the argument that the Celtics needed to do better than Utah in the playoffs to get Hayward to come to Boston.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2017, 04:41:08 PM »

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Anyone hoping we steal some of the medical staff from the spurs and sun? Tim duncan  and Steve Nash  played for 1000 years. Or maybe get some doctors from tufts and Harvard

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2017, 04:43:13 PM »

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Good riddance.

Why? I would love to hear your rationale on disliking Ed Lacerte.

I think Doo is going to stay and might take over. I'm pretty sure he's well liked.

He mishandled injuries to Big Al, KG, and Wally, among others.


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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2017, 04:48:42 PM »

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Those 2 leaving is a huge deal. Whatever direction we go in now all that matters is that we get the best people.

BTW I actually used to go to Waltham Healthpoint and see Dr. Mckean and Hester and met Lacerte and Doo. I went all the time bc of a health issue that both Mckean and Hester were interested in bc a former Celtic actually had a similar problem.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2017, 04:52:11 PM »

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Good riddance.

Why? I would love to hear your rationale on disliking Ed Lacerte.

I think Doo is going to stay and might take over. I'm pretty sure he's well liked.

He mishandled injuries to Big Al, KG, and Wally, among others.
Then why wasn't he let go at the time?  I think there's something else going on here.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2017, 05:04:01 PM »

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Good riddance.

Why? I would love to hear your rationale on disliking Ed Lacerte.

I think Doo is going to stay and might take over. I'm pretty sure he's well liked.

He mishandled injuries to Big Al, KG, and Wally, among others.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here (I swear).... Usually not a good start to a sentence ha

but...

Can you articulate how he mishandled these injuries? Are you referring to hearsay, or can you tell me more about each injury and the appropriate treatment plan?

You are one of the more educated posters on this forum, so you might have more info than I have. I haven't seen any of those MRI's, and never used a goniometer to measure any of those players' range of motion post injury. I also was not in the room for any of the surgeries. I'm actually not sure about anything other than what was reported in the media.

Injury set-backs happen in every sport. Look at Gronk.

How do you have more information than I do about the proper treatment plan for Big Al, KG, and Wally? How do you know how Lacerte and his team deviated from protocol?

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2017, 05:15:12 PM »

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Good riddance.

Why? I would love to hear your rationale on disliking Ed Lacerte.

I think Doo is going to stay and might take over. I'm pretty sure he's well liked.

He mishandled injuries to Big Al, KG, and Wally, among others.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here (I swear).... Usually not a good start to a sentence ha

but...

Can you articulate how he mishandled these injuries? Are you referring to hearsay, or can you tell me more about each injury and the appropriate treatment plan?

You are one of the more educated posters on this forum, so you might have more info than I have. I haven't seen any of those MRI's, and never used a goniometer to measure any of those players' range of motion post injury. I also was not in the room for any of the surgeries. I'm actually not sure about anything other than what was reported in the media.

Injury set-backs happen in every sport. Look at Gronk.

How do you have more information than I do about the proper treatment plan for Big Al, KG, and Wally? How do you know how Lacerte and his team deviated from protocol?

With Big Al, they misdiagnosed bone chips in his ankles, to the point where Big Al was being labeled a malingerer. Instead, once they listened to their patient and cleaned the ankle, the injury went away almost immediately.

With KG, they underestimated the extent of his bone spur.

With Wally, they continually brought him back too soon, leading to recurrent injury.

Obviously, the team thinks they can do better. I welcome it.


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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2017, 05:21:52 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.








Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2017, 05:28:04 PM »

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I guess we've just got to hope they bring in better people. Bummer because both were well liked. Especially Laverne.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2017, 05:29:07 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.
You can absolutely evaluate the medical staff of a team. I don't think it's ridiculous at all.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2017, 05:32:39 PM »

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Without real evidence from medical experts, I think such suppositions are really iffy, at best.  this is medicine and beyond most of us.

Over on SoSHthey have some real docs and everyone defers to them.
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Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2017, 05:36:59 PM »

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Good riddance.

Why? I would love to hear your rationale on disliking Ed Lacerte.

I think Doo is going to stay and might take over. I'm pretty sure he's well liked.

He mishandled injuries to Big Al, KG, and Wally, among others.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here (I swear).... Usually not a good start to a sentence ha

but...

Can you articulate how he mishandled these injuries? Are you referring to hearsay, or can you tell me more about each injury and the appropriate treatment plan?

You are one of the more educated posters on this forum, so you might have more info than I have. I haven't seen any of those MRI's, and never used a goniometer to measure any of those players' range of motion post injury. I also was not in the room for any of the surgeries. I'm actually not sure about anything other than what was reported in the media.

Injury set-backs happen in every sport. Look at Gronk.

How do you have more information than I do about the proper treatment plan for Big Al, KG, and Wally? How do you know how Lacerte and his team deviated from protocol?

With Big Al, they misdiagnosed bone chips in his ankles, to the point where Big Al was being labeled a malingerer. Instead, once they listened to their patient and cleaned the ankle, the injury went away almost immediately.

With KG, they underestimated the extent of his bone spur.

With Wally, they continually brought him back too soon, leading to recurrent injury.

Obviously, the team thinks they can do better. I welcome it.

Thanks for the response to what might have been construed as a condescending post on my part.   

Lacerte was the athletic trainer for 30 years. Athletic trainers collaborate with physicians to provide rehab services. As the head trainer, he was more responsible than guys like Doo, but just as (or even less responsible) for a diagnosis than the physicians dealing with Big Al, KG, and Wally.

This post is titled "Ed Lacerte gone too". I guess I was just caught off guard that you had such strong opinions about one member of a team that deals with issues much more complicated than basketball.

Re: Ed Lacerte gone too
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2017, 05:39:13 PM »

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Anyone here discrediting Lacerte is just taking a total 100% complete factless guess at this situation.

No one here can say Lacerte mishandled injuries, you have literally no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing because your favorite player got hurt.  It's laughable that anyone in this thread is taking such a stance against these individuals while having ZERO knowledge of the situation.

Unless some players and owners come out and say they thought themselves or their players were mishandled by Lacerte, then you will have a right to say 'good riddance' to a real person who put his entire career and the prime of his life into keeping the Celtics players healthy.

Show some respect and don't act so petty.

First, I would tend to defer to Roy who probably knows recent C's history as well as anyone on this board!! 

Second, Roy or anyone else has a right to express his or her opinion as long as he or she does so in a respectful fashion (I know Roy, funny coming from me:-))!!  Matter of fact, Roy probably has a right to express his opinion more than anyone except for perhaps the revered Jeff Clark!!

Third, Roy was in NO WAY petty.  He expressed his opinion and then back up his opinion with three SPECIFIC examples.

Thanks so much for your years of service and I wish you nothing but the best as our Celtics move in a new direction.

Smitty77

P.S.  Sorry for speaking for you Roy, but that sort of got under my skin.