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What are the cap implications of the Bradley trade?
« on: July 08, 2017, 09:37:19 AM »

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Since Bradley makes more than Morris we have more money going out. I think I read the C's needed to cut around $300K in order to give Hayward the max?

If there's a few million dollars difference now would the C's be able to sign another FA into that cap space, with an amount that's higher than the veteran's minimum? Perhaps someone like Bogut?

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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2017, 09:50:14 AM »

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I had this same curiosity. Do we have the MLE now?

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Not really.  Celtics save about $3M  ($8m for AB vs. $5m Morris, roughly) which they need to make up for the $2M reduction in league cap in order to sign Hayward.

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We have the room exception which is slightly above 4M. 

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Not really.  Celtics save about $3M  ($8m for AB vs. $5m Morris, roughly) which they need to make up for the $2M reduction in league cap in order to sign Hayward.

I thought we only had to trim about $300K?  Shouldn't that leave an extra $2.7M and then ALSO the Room Exception?

Probably not but curious how the math truly works out here and how the Room Exception actually works.

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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2017, 10:39:43 AM »

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Not really.  Celtics save about $3M  ($8m for AB vs. $5m Morris, roughly) which they need to make up for the $2M reduction in league cap in order to sign Hayward.

I thought we only had to trim about $300K?  Shouldn't that leave an extra $2.7M and then ALSO the Room Exception?

Probably not but curious how the math truly works out here and how the Room Exception actually works.

Thanks guys!

That was assuming we traded Rozier and Jackson for no returning salary. They are both still on the team so you need to take that into account.

At this point, I don't see how Jackson is on the roster on opening night, but it's not like he is a hot commodity - we may just need to pay off his guarantee and move on.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2017, 10:46:20 AM »

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Not really.  Celtics save about $3M  ($8m for AB vs. $5m Morris, roughly) which they need to make up for the $2M reduction in league cap in order to sign Hayward.

I thought we only had to trim about $300K?  Shouldn't that leave an extra $2.7M and then ALSO the Room Exception?

Probably not but curious how the math truly works out here and how the Room Exception actually works.

Thanks guys!

The most likely thing we do with the extra cap room is bring over Yabu, I think.


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Re: What are the cap implications of the Bradley trade?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2017, 11:25:14 AM »

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Not really.  Celtics save about $3M  ($8m for AB vs. $5m Morris, roughly) which they need to make up for the $2M reduction in league cap in order to sign Hayward.

I thought we only had to trim about $300K?  Shouldn't that leave an extra $2.7M and then ALSO the Room Exception?

Probably not but curious how the math truly works out here and how the Room Exception actually works.

Thanks guys!

That was assuming we traded Rozier and Jackson for no returning salary. They are both still on the team so you need to take that into account.

At this point, I don't see how Jackson is on the roster on opening night, but it's not like he is a hot commodity - we may just need to pay off his guarantee and move on.

Ah, thanks!  So if we cut Jackson then we'd probably have enough space to bring over Yabusele?  I liked what I saw from him last Summer League.  He had a good understanding of the pick and roll offense (and pick and pop).  His style looked like he'd be a perfect Spurs player.

I imagine Nader will get a roster spot, Ojeleye will go to the G-League, and Yabu will be here.

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Not really.  Celtics save about $3M  ($8m for AB vs. $5m Morris, roughly) which they need to make up for the $2M reduction in league cap in order to sign Hayward.

I thought we only had to trim about $300K?  Shouldn't that leave an extra $2.7M and then ALSO the Room Exception?

Probably not but curious how the math truly works out here and how the Room Exception actually works.

Thanks guys!

That was assuming we traded Rozier and Jackson for no returning salary. They are both still on the team so you need to take that into account.

At this point, I don't see how Jackson is on the roster on opening night, but it's not like he is a hot commodity - we may just need to pay off his guarantee and move on.

Ah, thanks!  So if we cut Jackson then we'd probably have enough space to bring over Yabusele?  I liked what I saw from him last Summer League.  He had a good understanding of the pick and roll offense (and pick and pop).  His style looked like he'd be a perfect Spurs player.

I imagine Nader will get a roster spot, Ojeleye will go to the G-League, and Yabu will be here.
It's actually cheaper to keep Jackson than waive him. If we do anything with him it'll be trade.

I don't know why reporters are saying Yab can now come over, that would only be true if we also get rid of Rozier and at this point I don't think that will happen

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2017, 12:57:34 PM »

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It appears Boston can now sign Hayward to the full 30% max, as well as sign Yabusele, and keep Rozier.

The Celtics have the following salaries currently on the books:

Al Horford --   27,734,405
Jae Crowder --   6,796,117
Isaiah Thomas --   6,261,395
Marcus Morris --   5,000,000
Jaylen Brown --   4,956,480
Marcus Smart --   4,538,020
Terry Rozier --   1,988,520
Ante Zizic --   1,645,200
Jordan Mickey --   1,471,382
Demetrius Jackson --   1,384,750
Jayson Tatum --   5,645,400
   
Total --   67,421,669

By waiving Mickey and adding in two empty roster charges ($815,615 ea.), the Celtics would be at $67,581,517 in salary, leaving them with $31,511,483 in cap space.  A max contract for Hayward is $29,727,900 meaning after he is signed Boston would still have $2,599,198 in cap space remaining, enough to sign Yabusele to his rookie scale contract.


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So does that mean once we do that we are spent up to the cap? And then we can do the MLE and LLE? I also don't understand the "cheaper to keep Jackson" comment.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2017, 01:18:20 PM »

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It appears Boston can now sign Hayward to the full 30% max, as well as sign Yabusele, and keep Rozier.

The Celtics have the following salaries currently on the books:

Al Horford --   27,734,405
Jae Crowder --   6,796,117
Isaiah Thomas --   6,261,395
Marcus Morris --   5,000,000
Jaylen Brown --   4,956,480
Marcus Smart --   4,538,020
Terry Rozier --   1,988,520
Ante Zizic --   1,645,200
Jordan Mickey --   1,471,382
Demetrius Jackson --   1,384,750
Jayson Tatum --   5,645,400
   
Total --   67,421,669

By waiving Mickey and adding in two empty roster charges ($815,615 ea.), the Celtics would be at $67,581,517 in salary, leaving them with $31,511,483 in cap space.  A max contract for Hayward is $29,727,900 meaning after he is signed Boston would still have $2,599,198 in cap space remaining, enough to sign Yabusele to his rookie scale contract.

Mostly right, but we currently have Yabusele's cap hold on our books, so the order is different on things. Honestly, it looks like Morris was the ideal salary to trade Bradley for, especially if we want to use him to deal for someone later
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