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Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2017, 10:46:27 PM »

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Watching this Lakers game. Ingram is impressive, but Ball is very unimpressive right now. His shot is crap from NBA range, and his lack of a midrange game is obviously killing him.

I think he'll be fine from three; he's just having a rough night. The mid-range game/late-clock offense is really troubling. He's struggling with the length, athleticism, and speed of Summer League. The NBA is a whole different monster. Although, the spacing and higher quality surrounding talent (maybe not on the Lakers lol) will help him a lot. Remember, a lot of what makes Lonzo special is enhancing his teammates. In Summer League, that's a lot harder to do.

I'm not as sold on his shot as you. He's been all over the place with his shot tonight, and that funky extra movement in his shot will only make him inconsistent.

But you're right about setting up how teammates. I'm just not sure how effective that is in the league anymore. He seems more and more like early Rondo without the defense or finishing ability, along with a much higher willingness to chuck from deep.

Ingram has looked much better, though.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2017, 10:52:58 PM »

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Watching this Lakers game. Ingram is impressive, but Ball is very unimpressive right now. His shot is crap from NBA range, and his lack of a midrange game is obviously killing him.

I think he'll be fine from three; he's just having a rough night. The mid-range game/late-clock offense is really troubling. He's struggling with the length, athleticism, and speed of Summer League. The NBA is a whole different monster. Although, the spacing and higher quality surrounding talent (maybe not on the Lakers lol) will help him a lot. Remember, a lot of what makes Lonzo special is enhancing his teammates. In Summer League, that's a lot harder to do.

I'm not as sold on his shot as you. He's been all over the place with his shot.

But you're right about setting up how teammates. I'm just not sure how effective that is in the league anymore. He seems more and more like early Rondo without the defense or finishing ability, along with a much higher willingness to chuck from deep.

Ingram has looked much better, though.

This is part of the reason why Lonzo might not have as great of a chance of traditional superstardom as most top-5 picks. However, he's like the ultimate complimentary player on offense. If you give him decent talent to work with, he'll make it great. If you give him great talent, he'll make it special. All of this is why I think he could've worked on the Celtics. Surrounded by guys like IT and Hayward, he could be special. He's been rough in this game. Unfortunately, this game has highlighted a lot of his most concerning weaknesses, but I'm still high on him.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2017, 10:53:19 PM »

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I like Cory Jefferson - playing for the Spurs. Would love to give him a shot as a backup 4 here. Is from Tacoma just like IT and also was last pick in the draft like IT.

6'9" can score and he rebounds pretty well.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2017, 10:55:25 PM »

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Watching this Lakers game. Ingram is impressive, but Ball is very unimpressive right now. His shot is crap from NBA range, and his lack of a midrange game is obviously killing him.

I think he'll be fine from three; he's just having a rough night. The mid-range game/late-clock offense is really troubling. He's struggling with the length, athleticism, and speed of Summer League. The NBA is a whole different monster. Although, the spacing and higher quality surrounding talent (maybe not on the Lakers lol) will help him a lot. Remember, a lot of what makes Lonzo special is enhancing his teammates. In Summer League, that's a lot harder to do.

I'm not as sold on his shot as you. He's been all over the place with his shot.

But you're right about setting up how teammates. I'm just not sure how effective that is in the league anymore. He seems more and more like early Rondo without the defense or finishing ability, along with a much higher willingness to chuck from deep.

Ingram has looked much better, though.

This is part of the reason why Lonzo might not have as great of a chance of traditional superstardom as most top-5 picks. However, he's like the ultimate complimentary player on offense. If you give him decent talent to work with, he'll make it great. If you give him great talent, he'll make it special. All of this is why I think he could've worked on the Celtics. Surrounded by guys like IT and Hayward, he could be special. He's been rough in this game. Unfortunately, this game has highlighted a lot of his most concerning weaknesses, but I'm still high on him.

Defense and lack of Hustle seem like the main problems. Lonzo only seems to care about one end of the court.

Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2017, 10:58:05 PM »

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Man, I'm not sure Ball could look much worse than tonight. Can't hit crap and outside of a few good passes, he's had downright terrible decision-making and shot selection.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2017, 11:15:22 PM »

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Lonzo played a very lazy game tonight. Lazy passes, Lazy defense, lazy shot selection...

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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2017, 11:17:57 PM »

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Man, I'm not sure Ball could look much worse than tonight. Can't hit crap and outside of a few good passes, he's had downright terrible decision-making and shot selection.
Lavar ain't going to be talking much after that game.  Really ugly. 

Don't see why Vegas and others think Ball is the favorite for ROY.  He was in a perfect situation at UCLA with 4 good shooters on the court.  He's not going to have that with the Lakers. 

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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2017, 11:19:26 PM »

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Phoenix vs Sacramento is almost the regular season teams playing against each other, very exciting..

Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2017, 11:21:06 PM »

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Fox has crazy energy...

Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2017, 11:25:51 PM »

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Fox looking good. He might be the fastest player in the NBA.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2017, 11:26:54 PM »

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Fox>Lonzo

The Kings and The Suns are both going to be really fun to watch this year....

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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2017, 11:29:00 PM »

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Just reached the hotel in New Jersey (vacation trip) and caught last glimpses of the game.

Ball bricked some 3's and what not lol.

Then after the game, ESPN hyping him up to Curry and Ramona "Lakers Lady" Shelbourne says Ball had a fantastic game despite the shooting, which may be fair (like the lob pass to Ingram and assists), but I mean, lets be real, if this is someone else, she would probably label them as a bust already.  :laugh:

Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2017, 11:30:58 PM »

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Just reached the hotel in New Jersey (vacation trip) and caught last glimpses of the game.

Ball bricked some 3's and what not lol.

Then after the game, ESPN hyping him up to Curry and Ramona "Lakers Lady" Shelbourne says Ball had a fantastic game despite the shooting, which may be fair (like the lob pass to Ingram and assists), but I mean, lets be real, if this is someone else, she would probably label them as a bust already.  :laugh:

The energy difference between Ball and Fox is night and day...

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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2017, 11:31:07 PM »

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I remain a huge Dragan Bender fan.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer League Thread
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2017, 11:32:03 PM »

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I remain a huge Dragan Bender fan.

Me too, but he's a project...