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Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #120 on: June 28, 2017, 09:26:54 PM »

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For the love of god, can you dudes STOP including Zeller in your proposed "trades"...he has to be gone to get enough space to even sign Hayward/Griffin BEFORE we can trade for George...just stop.

TP for the effort.  But a good chunk of posters don't read.

Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #121 on: June 28, 2017, 09:36:53 PM »

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For the love of god, can you dudes STOP including Zeller in your proposed "trades"...he has to be gone to get enough space to even sign Hayward/Griffin BEFORE we can trade for George...just stop.

TP for the effort.  But a good chunk of posters don't read.

...nor look at the salary/cap figures. Zeller will worry me until he gets cut.

Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #122 on: June 28, 2017, 09:39:17 PM »

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For the love of god, can you dudes STOP including Zeller in your proposed "trades"...he has to be gone to get enough space to even sign Hayward/Griffin BEFORE we can trade for George...just stop.

TP for the effort.  But a good chunk of posters don't read.

Amazing to me that people still feel as though it's feasible that George agrees to the extension as part of the trade. It just isn't happening. He has to agree to resign in the offseason, and he agrees and then doesn't... well then he is just a jerk. It's happened before, Carlos Boozer says hi.

Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #123 on: June 29, 2017, 12:31:52 AM »

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For the love of god, can you dudes STOP including Zeller in your proposed "trades"...he has to be gone to get enough space to even sign Hayward/Griffin BEFORE we can trade for George...just stop.

TP for the effort.  But a good chunk of posters don't read.

...nor look at the salary/cap figures. Zeller will worry me until he gets cut.

How bout Zeller and a ham sandwich for PG?
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #124 on: June 29, 2017, 01:09:08 AM »

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For the love of god, can you dudes STOP including Zeller in your proposed "trades"...he has to be gone to get enough space to even sign Hayward/Griffin BEFORE we can trade for George...just stop.

TP for the effort.  But a good chunk of posters don't read.

Amazing to me that people still feel as though it's feasible that George agrees to the extension as part of the trade. It just isn't happening. He has to agree to resign in the offseason, and he agrees and then doesn't... well then he is just a jerk. It's happened before, Carlos Boozer says hi.
He would def leave us even if we won a chip he would prob leave IMO.

Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #125 on: June 29, 2017, 09:19:24 AM »

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The next couple days are critical for Ainge. It's a chicken-egg thing for Hayward and George. He has to play both hands at once, and he has to get Zeller off the books by 7/2 or he's screwed capwise. I never thought that was a wise sign.

The critical day is 7/2. He is interviewing Hayward and must cut Zeller by then, or have a deal in place for him--maybe for George. Somehow he has to juggle Hayward and George, to convince each that the other is coming to Boston. This is like the Bosh-James thing in Miami a few years back.

Riley is interviewing Hayward on Sat. He is $34M under the cap. Do you think maybe he tries to get George and Hayward using the same ploy?  This could blow up in Ainge's face. Which is why maybe he should have traded for George by now and given Indiana the draft picks. Then gone for Hayward with George signed. He could wind up outsmarting himself cutting it too close.

But then, maybe all this has been worked out behind the scenes. You don't know.

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« Reply #126 on: June 29, 2017, 09:25:04 AM »

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The next couple days are critical for Ainge. It's a chicken-egg thing for Hayward and George. He has to play both hands at once, and he has to get Zeller off the books by 7/2 or he's screwed capwise. I never thought that was a wise sign.

The critical day is 7/2. He is interviewing Hayward and must cut Zeller by then, or have a deal in place for him--maybe for George. Somehow he has to juggle Hayward and George, to convince each that the other is coming to Boston. This is like the Bosh-James thing in Miami a few years back.

Riley is interviewing Hayward on Sat. He is $34M under the cap. Do you think maybe he tries to get George and Hayward using the same ploy?  This could blow up in Ainge's face. Which is why maybe he should have traded for George by now and given Indiana the draft picks. Then gone for Hayward with George signed. He could wind up outsmarting himself cutting it too close.

But then, maybe all this has been worked out behind the scenes. You don't know.
how can he get George?  what assets does he have to trade for him?

Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #127 on: June 29, 2017, 10:16:09 AM »

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Maybe GH just wants to live in Miami, but otherwise, they're not a real threat. They don't have a lot of talent to build on. In a very weak East, they couldn't even make the playoffs.

If GH chooses Miami, I suspect it'll be because his family prefers the warm weather.

And when it comes to PG, what attractive players do they have to trade? Johnson? Miami has no valuable draft picks to send to Indy. They don't even have their own pick this coming year.

Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #128 on: June 29, 2017, 11:03:51 AM »

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The next couple days are critical for Ainge. It's a chicken-egg thing for Hayward and George. He has to play both hands at once, and he has to get Zeller off the books by 7/2 or he's screwed capwise. I never thought that was a wise sign.

The critical day is 7/2. He is interviewing Hayward and must cut Zeller by then, or have a deal in place for him--maybe for George. Somehow he has to juggle Hayward and George, to convince each that the other is coming to Boston. This is like the Bosh-James thing in Miami a few years back.

Riley is interviewing Hayward on Sat. He is $34M under the cap. Do you think maybe he tries to get George and Hayward using the same ploy?  This could blow up in Ainge's face. Which is why maybe he should have traded for George by now and given Indiana the draft picks. Then gone for Hayward with George signed. He could wind up outsmarting himself cutting it too close.

But then, maybe all this has been worked out behind the scenes. You don't know.
how can he get George?  what assets does he have to trade for him?

ha. You never know with Riley. He's done this before. So has Ainge.

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« Reply #129 on: June 29, 2017, 11:05:28 AM »

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The next couple days are critical for Ainge. It's a chicken-egg thing for Hayward and George. He has to play both hands at once, and he has to get Zeller off the books by 7/2 or he's screwed capwise. I never thought that was a wise sign.

The critical day is 7/2. He is interviewing Hayward and must cut Zeller by then, or have a deal in place for him--maybe for George.

It's even worse than that: 7/2 is a Sunday, and Massachusetts blue laws prevent him from any trades or signings before noon.

Mike

Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #130 on: June 29, 2017, 11:19:38 AM »

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Maybe GH just wants to live in Miami, but otherwise, they're not a real threat. They don't have a lot of talent to build on. In a very weak East, they couldn't even make the playoffs.

If GH chooses Miami, I suspect it'll be because his family prefers the warm weather.

And when it comes to PG, what attractive players do they have to trade? Johnson? Miami has no valuable draft picks to send to Indy. They don't even have their own pick this coming year.

I think they are stronger than they look.  A trio of Hayward, Whiteside, and Dragic could do well in the east.

Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #131 on: June 29, 2017, 11:43:28 AM »

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The next couple days are critical for Ainge. It's a chicken-egg thing for Hayward and George. He has to play both hands at once, and he has to get Zeller off the books by 7/2 or he's screwed capwise. I never thought that was a wise sign.

The critical day is 7/2. He is interviewing Hayward and must cut Zeller by then, or have a deal in place for him--maybe for George. Somehow he has to juggle Hayward and George, to convince each that the other is coming to Boston. This is like the Bosh-James thing in Miami a few years back.

Riley is interviewing Hayward on Sat. He is $34M under the cap. Do you think maybe he tries to get George and Hayward using the same ploy?  This could blow up in Ainge's face. Which is why maybe he should have traded for George by now and given Indiana the draft picks. Then gone for Hayward with George signed. He could wind up outsmarting himself cutting it too close.

But then, maybe all this has been worked out behind the scenes. You don't know.
how can he get George?  what assets does he have to trade for him?
Well Winslow would be a pretty good starting point.  Much better for a rebuilding team than any of the non-prime assets that Boston or LA has put on the table thus far.
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Re: [Bulpett] C's unwilling to give up "top draft assets" for George.
« Reply #132 on: June 29, 2017, 11:46:37 AM »

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The next couple days are critical for Ainge. It's a chicken-egg thing for Hayward and George. He has to play both hands at once, and he has to get Zeller off the books by 7/2 or he's screwed capwise. I never thought that was a wise sign.

The critical day is 7/2. He is interviewing Hayward and must cut Zeller by then, or have a deal in place for him--maybe for George. Somehow he has to juggle Hayward and George, to convince each that the other is coming to Boston. This is like the Bosh-James thing in Miami a few years back.

Riley is interviewing Hayward on Sat. He is $34M under the cap. Do you think maybe he tries to get George and Hayward using the same ploy?  This could blow up in Ainge's face. Which is why maybe he should have traded for George by now and given Indiana the draft picks. Then gone for Hayward with George signed. He could wind up outsmarting himself cutting it too close.

But then, maybe all this has been worked out behind the scenes. You don't know.
how can he get George?  what assets does he have to trade for him?
Well Winslow would be a pretty good starting point.  Much better for a rebuilding team than any of the non-prime assets that Boston or LA has put on the table thus far.

You could argue Smart is just as good as Winslow. Let's not act like Winslow is a prized prospect any longer. He can't score. Period.

Hope you're excited about Fultz. Championship in 2050!

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« Reply #133 on: June 29, 2017, 12:18:45 PM »

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The next couple days are critical for Ainge. It's a chicken-egg thing for Hayward and George. He has to play both hands at once, and he has to get Zeller off the books by 7/2 or he's screwed capwise. I never thought that was a wise sign.

The critical day is 7/2. He is interviewing Hayward and must cut Zeller by then, or have a deal in place for him--maybe for George. Somehow he has to juggle Hayward and George, to convince each that the other is coming to Boston. This is like the Bosh-James thing in Miami a few years back.

Riley is interviewing Hayward on Sat. He is $34M under the cap. Do you think maybe he tries to get George and Hayward using the same ploy?  This could blow up in Ainge's face. Which is why maybe he should have traded for George by now and given Indiana the draft picks. Then gone for Hayward with George signed. He could wind up outsmarting himself cutting it too close.

But then, maybe all this has been worked out behind the scenes. You don't know.
how can he get George?  what assets does he have to trade for him?
Well Winslow would be a pretty good starting point.  Much better for a rebuilding team than any of the non-prime assets that Boston or LA has put on the table thus far.

You could argue Smart is just as good as Winslow. Let's not act like Winslow is a prized prospect any longer. He can't score. Period.


Just think of it, when Danny's on the line with the Pacers GM he would be able to say "yeah we understand you have another offer but Marcus Smart is a MUCH better shooter than that guy."

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« Reply #134 on: June 29, 2017, 12:23:40 PM »

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The next couple days are critical for Ainge. It's a chicken-egg thing for Hayward and George. He has to play both hands at once, and he has to get Zeller off the books by 7/2 or he's screwed capwise. I never thought that was a wise sign.

The critical day is 7/2. He is interviewing Hayward and must cut Zeller by then, or have a deal in place for him--maybe for George. Somehow he has to juggle Hayward and George, to convince each that the other is coming to Boston. This is like the Bosh-James thing in Miami a few years back.

Riley is interviewing Hayward on Sat. He is $34M under the cap. Do you think maybe he tries to get George and Hayward using the same ploy?  This could blow up in Ainge's face. Which is why maybe he should have traded for George by now and given Indiana the draft picks. Then gone for Hayward with George signed. He could wind up outsmarting himself cutting it too close.

But then, maybe all this has been worked out behind the scenes. You don't know.
how can he get George?  what assets does he have to trade for him?
Well Winslow would be a pretty good starting point.  Much better for a rebuilding team than any of the non-prime assets that Boston or LA has put on the table thus far.

You could argue Smart is just as good as Winslow. Let's not act like Winslow is a prized prospect any longer. He can't score. Period.

Hope you're excited about Fultz. Championship in 2050!
Smart is due for a raise next summer.  Winslow is locked up longer and cheaper.  Winslow obviously struggled with his shooting last year, but he is a pretty good rebounder and passer for the position, and has every bit the defensive potential as Smart.  For a rebuilding team, I think Winslow is the better asset.  For a win now team, Smart would be the way to go.
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