Clippers pick is about to become worthless

[trickybilly]

When Paul and Griffin (yes, when, not if) that Clippers pick will most likely turn into a 2022 second round pick... I wonder if that is being countenanced by the Pacers.

No doubt they move Jordan if either of Paul and Blake sign elsewhere. Clips could be looking at:

Firing Doc, hiring Jerry West as full-time GM, building around whatever young guys and picks they can get for DeAndre, trying yet again

[Neurotic Guy]

I'm not worried about it.  Better chance that Clips devolve and the pick increases value.

[CelticsElite]

Can someone explain why the pick would become worth less?? Is it top 10 or lottery protected? If so it was always MOSTLY worthless to begin with. Last first round isn't the greatest spot in the world

[trickybilly]

Yes, top 15 protected..

But if the rising young teams in the west all start to warm up (Denver, Minny, New Orleans) and the fringe teams all get good contributions from their young guys (OKC, Portland), it could be like Pick 15-19 very easily, which IS valuable

Also if the Clips "devolve", obviously protection will kick in.

Everything changes if LeBron signs there next year.. Then it should convey in 2020 

[mr. dee]

We got the pick for second-rounders, anyway so nothing really of a loss.

[Androslav]

When Paul and Griffin (yes, when, not if) that Clippers pick will most likely turn into a 2022 second round pick... I wonder if that is being countenanced by the Pacers.

No doubt they move Jordan if either of Paul and Blake sign elsewhere. Clips could be looking at:

Firing Doc, hiring Jerry West as full-time GM, building around whatever young guys and picks they can get for DeAndre, trying yet again

You could easily be right.
Let's admit it, it was a shady business in the first place. By selling a father and then son for a bunch of draft picks, karma police is lurking.

[Neurotic Guy]

Yes, top 15 protected..

But if the rising young teams in the west all start to warm up (Denver, Minny, New Orleans) and the fringe teams all get good contributions from their young guys (OKC, Portland), it could be like Pick 15-19 very easily, which IS valuable

Also if the Clips "devolve", obviously protection will kick in.

Everything changes if LeBron signs there next year.. Then it should convey in 2020

Oops.  I get it.  Misunderstood the premise and the.protection
Hoping then for the partial devolution and an 8th place finish in 2019. 

[droopdog7]

Yes, top 15 protected..

But if the rising young teams in the west all start to warm up (Denver, Minny, New Orleans) and the fringe teams all get good contributions from their young guys (OKC, Portland), it could be like Pick 15-19 very easily, which IS valuable

Also if the Clips "devolve", obviously protection will kick in.

Everything changes if LeBron signs there next year.. Then it should convey in 2020

Sorry, 15-19 not very valuable.  It's wort just a little more than nothing is all.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Yes, top 15 protected..

But if the rising young teams in the west all start to warm up (Denver, Minny, New Orleans) and the fringe teams all get good contributions from their young guys (OKC, Portland), it could be like Pick 15-19 very easily, which IS valuable

Also if the Clips "devolve", obviously protection will kick in.

Everything changes if LeBron signs there next year.. Then it should convey in 2020

Sorry, 15-19 not very valuable.  It's wort just a little more than nothing is all.

Plenty of great player were picked in those spots.  AB  was 19, Giannis Antetokounmpo was 15 to name a couple.

[Ed Hollison]

Yes, top 15 protected..

But if the rising young teams in the west all start to warm up (Denver, Minny, New Orleans) and the fringe teams all get good contributions from their young guys (OKC, Portland), it could be like Pick 15-19 very easily, which IS valuable

Also if the Clips "devolve", obviously protection will kick in.

Everything changes if LeBron signs there next year.. Then it should convey in 2020

Sorry, 15-19 not very valuable.  It's wort just a little more than nothing is all.

Plenty of great player were picked in those spots.  AB  was 19, Giannis Antetokounmpo was 15 to name a couple.

Al Jefferson, who headlined the deal to get Kevin Garnett to the Celtics, was picked at #15.

[OldSchoolDude]

If things go right we should only be looking for bench help in 2019. 

1) Sign Hayward as FA
2) Trade for PG13 (may include those pesky 2019 LAC & MEM picks)
3) Field a very nice starting 5:  IT; Brown; Hayward; George; Horford
4) Use our 2018 BKN pick on yet another top 5 pick: Doncic; Ayton; Porter; Bamba
5) Use LAL 2018 pick for additional top 5 pick, another of Doncic; Ayton; Porter; Bamba

We'll in all likely hood have three top 5 picks on our bench to start the 2018-2019 season, so come that years draft what more will we really need?

I can see the starting five changing a bit to look like this by the 2019 season, so who ever we draft in 2019 would be part of a very strong bench.

PG:  Doncic
SG: Hayward
SF:  Tatum
PF: George
 C:  Ayton

Here's hoping things go right 

[droopdog7]

Yes, top 15 protected..

But if the rising young teams in the west all start to warm up (Denver, Minny, New Orleans) and the fringe teams all get good contributions from their young guys (OKC, Portland), it could be like Pick 15-19 very easily, which IS valuable

Also if the Clips "devolve", obviously protection will kick in.

Everything changes if LeBron signs there next year.. Then it should convey in 2020

Sorry, 15-19 not very valuable.  It's wort just a little more than nothing is all.

Plenty of great player were picked in those spots.  AB  was 19, Giannis Antetokounmpo was 15 to name a couple.

Al Jefferson, who headlined the deal to get Kevin Garnett to the Celtics, was picked at #15.

Okay, now let's name all the bad players that were picked in that range.  Is it possible to get a good player?  Of course.  But most likely, you'll end up with nothing or close to it.

[saltlover]

Yes, top 15 protected..

But if the rising young teams in the west all start to warm up (Denver, Minny, New Orleans) and the fringe teams all get good contributions from their young guys (OKC, Portland), it could be like Pick 15-19 very easily, which IS valuable

Also if the Clips "devolve", obviously protection will kick in.

Everything changes if LeBron signs there next year.. Then it should convey in 2020

Sorry, 15-19 not very valuable.  It's wort just a little more than nothing is all.

Plenty of great player were picked in those spots.  AB  was 19, Giannis Antetokounmpo was 15 to name a couple.

Al Jefferson, who headlined the deal to get Kevin Garnett to the Celtics, was picked at #15.

Okay, now let's name all the bad players that were picked in that range.  Is it possible to get a good player?  Of course.  But most likely, you'll end up with nothing or close to it.

You could do that for most picks below 10.  But as this pick is protected for 14, that'd mean that by your definition it already is worthless, as opposed to "about to become" worthless.  And since we got it for two second round picks, which are certainly worthless by this definition, who the heck cares.?

[Boris Badenov]

Yes, top 15 protected..

But if the rising young teams in the west all start to warm up (Denver, Minny, New Orleans) and the fringe teams all get good contributions from their young guys (OKC, Portland), it could be like Pick 15-19 very easily, which IS valuable

Also if the Clips "devolve", obviously protection will kick in.

Everything changes if LeBron signs there next year.. Then it should convey in 2020

Sorry, 15-19 not very valuable.  It's wort just a little more than nothing is all.

Plenty of great player were picked in those spots.  AB  was 19, Giannis Antetokounmpo was 15 to name a couple.

Al Jefferson, who headlined the deal to get Kevin Garnett to the Celtics, was picked at #15.

Okay, now let's name all the bad players that were picked in that range.  Is it possible to get a good player?  Of course.  But most likely, you'll end up with nothing or close to it.

As we've seen time and again, picks are more valuable than the expected value of players taken in their slots.

[saltlover]

I wouldn't worry too much about the Clippers pick not becoming a first.  Either they'll keep Paul and Griffin this summer and likely make the playoffs in one of the requisite two seasons, or they'll both walk, the Clippers will trade Jordan for a future pick, tank for a year, and head into next summer's strong free agent class with $80-90 million in cap space and a top draft pick.