Floor/Ceiling For Jayson Tatum? (Challenge: Don't Use Paul Pierce)

[gouki88]

he reminds me alot of gallinari

If Gallo wasn't made of glass he would be a really good player.

[Miranda-Kerr]

Marques Johnson.....

At least according to Kenny the Jet Smith, I'd be happy with a 5× All Star and top 3 leading scorer

[RGow8]

Floor: Derrick Williams

Ceiling: Paul George (his role model)

Lol what? Derrick Williams was a hyper athletic 4 compared to Shawn Marion out of college, not even close to Tatum or wher his game  resembles. He busted bc he didnt have ball skills . Tatum is the complete opposite where he has ball skill but will not possses the athleticism to be a star at the NBA level. People say Pierce comp ut Pierce actually had great  atheicism,like elite phone booth athlete they could jump quick without running off two legs . Pierce was in young Melos tier of athlete but Tatum is below that he's a stiff at 19 years old..We just got Shane Battier with the number one pick and a protected pick down the road. Kids a bust or role player I gurantee it.I usually trust in Danny but he messed up tiers this oickmhard, his ass is on  line here and he will be fired for it within 2 years. You don't take the number one pick and turn it into Jayson  Tatum lol.

[RJ87]

Floor - Tobias Harris
Ceiling - Danny Granger

Rooftop - PG13

I like this one. I'll second it.

[Chris22]

Tatum looks like Danny Granger with better moves.

And he is only 19 years old.

[Fan from VT]

Floor - Tobias Harris
Ceiling - Danny Granger

Rooftop - PG13

I like this one. I'll second it.

I think this is ridiculous.

Remember Adam Morrison, 3rd overall pick...what would people have said his "floor" was? Mike Miller? Well, he was out of the league in a couple seasons. That's what the floor is: Any player, even highly touted experienced college players with NBA ready skills can completely bust even without injuries, etc.

What if Tatum is Gerald Green with a worse jump shot? That player had to rehab his role playing career in China.


Same can be said for ceiling. SFs like Granger, PG3, Pierce, all 10 and above. Their ceilings were tremendously high! That's where Tatum's is. He is 19, great size, underrated athleticism...he could be a Carmelo clone, and if he develops that in the right culture (a la carmelo on the US national teams) that's an incredible player.


So floor: No second NBA contract.
Ceiling: Potential best player on championship team.

[vgulab]

worst case he becames Tobias Harris, best case Carmelo Anthony

[RGow8]

Floor: Derrick Williams

Ceiling: Paul George (his role model)

Lol what? Derrick Williams was a hyper athletic 4 compared to Shawn Marion out of college, not even close to Tatum or wher his game  resembles. He busted bc he didnt have ball skills . Tatum is the complete opposite where he has ball skill but will not possses the athleticism to be a star at the NBA level. People say Pierce comp ut Pierce actually had great  atheicism,like elite phone booth athlete they could jump quick without running off two legs . Pierce was in young Melos tier of athlete but Tatum is below that he's a stiff at 19 years old..We just got Shane Battier with the number one pick and a protected pick down the road. Kids a bust or role player I gurantee it.I usually trust in Danny but he messed up Oj this one big time. His sass is on line here and he will be fired for it within 2 years. You don't take the number one pick and turn it into Jayson  Tatum lol.

[tyrone biggums]

Worst case slightly better version Jabari Parker without injuries. Best case is Carmelo.

[footey]

Floor - Tobias Harris
Ceiling - Danny Granger

Rooftop - PG13

I like this one. I'll second it.

I think this is ridiculous.

Remember Adam Morrison, 3rd overall pick...what would people have said his "floor" was? Mike Miller? Well, he was out of the league in a couple seasons. That's what the floor is: Any player, even highly touted experienced college players with NBA ready skills can completely bust even without injuries, etc.

What if Tatum is Gerald Green with a worse jump shot? That player had to rehab his role playing career in China.


Same can be said for ceiling. SFs like Granger, PG3, Pierce, all 10 and above. Their ceilings were tremendously high! That's where Tatum's is. He is 19, great size, underrated athleticism...he could be a Carmelo clone, and if he develops that in the right culture (a la carmelo on the US national teams) that's an incredible player.


So floor: No second NBA contract.
Ceiling: Potential best player on championship team.

TP well said.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Ceiling: Bernard King

Floor: 2012-2013 Rudy Gay

[RJ87]

Floor - Tobias Harris
Ceiling - Danny Granger

Rooftop - PG13

I like this one. I'll second it.

I think this is ridiculous.

Remember Adam Morrison, 3rd overall pick...what would people have said his "floor" was? Mike Miller? Well, he was out of the league in a couple seasons. That's what the floor is: Any player, even highly touted experienced college players with NBA ready skills can completely bust even without injuries, etc.

What if Tatum is Gerald Green with a worse jump shot? That player had to rehab his role playing career in China.


Same can be said for ceiling. SFs like Granger, PG3, Pierce, all 10 and above. Their ceilings were tremendously high! That's where Tatum's is. He is 19, great size, underrated athleticism...he could be a Carmelo clone, and if he develops that in the right culture (a la carmelo on the US national teams) that's an incredible player.


So floor: No second NBA contract.
Ceiling: Potential best player on championship team.

Adam Morrison did tear his ACL in his second season. Don't think that's what derailed his career, but if you're gonna call something ridiculous at least have all the facts.

[MVPPierceNoJoke]

Jackson is certainly explosive and related to that, I can grant more able to gain separation in some cases. But IQ-wise I feel like Tatum beats Jackson hands down. By a long shot. Like not even negotiable, it's so evident.

Jackson has freaky athleticism and Tatum has an old man game, but I'm pretty sure the consensus is that Jackson's IQ is quite a bit higher.  The Lakers or Kings pick better be awesome because it's going to suck if Fultz becomes a 25ppg scorer and we have a Granger, Sean Elliot, Battier type guy. 

If we are comparing Tatum to Pierce, Tatum dunks like Clippers Pierce.  His feet move faster than Clippers Pierce but he doesn't get any higher over the rim.  That's my main concern- Tatum's athleticism, because I really like his skills.

I feel the same way. I do not think the Pierce comparison is accurate because when Pierce was 19/20 he would take one or two dribbles and explode. Pierce also had a much quicker first step which gave him separation to get to his explosive move.
That is why I think he has a floor of Adam Morrison. They were both the same size and length on draft day. If he develops footwork and a consistent jumper, Tatum could easily be a Rashard Lewis/ Antawn Jamison. I would be okay with that.

[Future Celtics Owner]

*Tatum had his recordings done 1 year before the draft/combine at barely 18
*Tatum grew in height and weight after the Hoop Summit and put on 20lbs(which is what doctors say got him hurt), both of which could lead to tightening...IMO there is enough evidence to say Tatum is longer than last years Hoop Summit.
Here are some comparables:

PAUL GEORGE @ 20.1:
6'11.25'' WINGSPAN
8'11'' STANDING-REACH
6'7.75'' W/O SHOES
214lbs

DANNY GRANGER @ 22.2:
7'1.5'' WINGSPAN
8'7.5'' STANDING-REACH
6'7.5'' w/o shoes
225lbs

JAYSON TATUM @ around *18:
6' 11'' WINGSPAN
8' 10.5'' STANDING REACH
*6'7'' w/o shoes(This is minimum and Tatum did grow after this recording)
205lbs (this could be different now as well)

LEBRON JAMES @ 18.5:
7'.25'' WINGSPAN
8'10.25'' STANDING-REACH
6'7.25'' W/O SHOES
245LBS

Carmelo Anthony@ 19.1:
7' WINGSPAN
8'9.5'' STANDING-REACH
6'6.25'' W/O SHOES
233 LBS

[Fan from VT]

Floor - Tobias Harris
Ceiling - Danny Granger

Rooftop - PG13

I like this one. I'll second it.

I think this is ridiculous.

Remember Adam Morrison, 3rd overall pick...what would people have said his "floor" was? Mike Miller? Well, he was out of the league in a couple seasons. That's what the floor is: Any player, even highly touted experienced college players with NBA ready skills can completely bust even without injuries, etc.

What if Tatum is Gerald Green with a worse jump shot? That player had to rehab his role playing career in China.


Same can be said for ceiling. SFs like Granger, PG3, Pierce, all 10 and above. Their ceilings were tremendously high! That's where Tatum's is. He is 19, great size, underrated athleticism...he could be a Carmelo clone, and if he develops that in the right culture (a la carmelo on the US national teams) that's an incredible player.


So floor: No second NBA contract.
Ceiling: Potential best player on championship team.

Adam Morrison did tear his ACL in his second season. Don't think that's what derailed his career, but if you're gonna call something ridiculous at least have all the facts.

Well, the point is multiple unexpected players flame out every draft and have flamed out from every draft position in every single way. So to say that someone's absolute imaginable bottom is a good rotation player is not accurate.