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Don't hold his agent's actions against him. He's just following some bad professional advice.

The medical records are the important thing. It's hard to take a guy without them.

Yeah. I'm putting this much more on Armstrong than Jackson himself. 


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I understand you have to do a lot of homework on these kids but I find it odd they don't have a preference yet. Then again I hope they do and keep it to themselves.

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Don't hold his agent's actions against him. He's just following some bad professional advice.

The medical records are the important thing. It's hard to take a guy without them.

Yeah. I'm putting this much more on Armstrong than Jackson himself.


Agreed,


But at the same time, if the two players are close and you have questions about one player (and there are questions about Jackson) and you cannot even ask those questions, it matters.   

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I understand you have to do a lot of homework on these kids but I find it odd they don't have a preference yet. Then again I hope they do and keep it to themselves.


I wouldn't be shocked if they had made a decision already but are just doing their homework in case of surprises or an opportunity to trade. 

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I have a preference, but I think I see clear core reasons to draft both.  I watched a lot of Jackson and Tatum, and have read many opinions on tons of threads here, learning even more about each guy.  Before we landed #1 I'd have been happy with either, but things change.

Main Reasons for Jackson over Tatum:
-Far more athletic and quick with fast-twitch muscle.
-Better defender, great passer and rebounds well for his position.
-If he shot like Tatum he'd go #1.
-He has huge upside because a shot is easier to develop than athleticism.
-If both he and Tatum reach their full potential, Jackson probably becomes the better player.
-His defense, BBIQ and intangibles should allow him to contribute right away.
-Tatum's lack of top flight athleticism could make it very difficult for him to be dominant.
-For trade purposes, seems to be more league interest in Jackson than Tatum

Main Reasons for Tatum over Jackson:
-He was injured for much of the year so likely he's better than he looked, and that was great.
-Stud offensive player.  I take the shot charts with a grain of salt because Tatum had no PG, many shots were isos and many were made shots college players rarely even try, whereas Jackson's PG was Nat'l Player of the Year and 80% of his non-drive shots were open spot ups.
-Added lots of muscle in a year and likely could play some PF, which would be ideal.
-Less athletic but rebounded like Jackson, and athletic enough to thrive with his skills.
-Very underrated passer.  Jackson gets tons of love for his passing but Tatum isn't far behind.
-No reason to believe he can't become a solid defender if chubby Smart can be elite.
-A full year younger than Jackson but still more polished, seems really cerebral too.

I'd go Tatum.  His offense, ability to play some PF, and his injury and the degree of difficulty of what he achieved vs. Jackson in terms of skills makes him my choice for this team.  If Josh fixes his shot he'll be the better pick, but Kawhi-level improvements in shooting are pretty rare and his good % from 3 is mitigated by the fact that they were mostly all open looks, whereas Tatum's were more contested and he was the guy to stop on Duke.  On Kansas, it was Mason, and Jackson benefited from that.  If we take Jackson I will be ok with it, but I'd go Tatum.
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Don't hold his agent's actions against him. He's just following some bad professional advice.

The medical records are the important thing. It's hard to take a guy without them.

Yeah. I'm putting this much more on Armstrong than Jackson himself.


Agreed,


But at the same time, if the two players are close and you have questions about one player (and there are questions about Jackson) and you cannot even ask those questions, it matters.

Oh, certainly.  It can definitely swing things one way.


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Tatum is going to be really good, but it kind of feels like Ainge feels as though he's forcing himself into Tatum when he really wants Jackson.

Agreed. But then, I don't think anyone was ever able to force Danny to do anything he didn't want to do. He will make what he feels is the correct decision for the team. If that's Jackson, that's who he will pick.

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Jackson has zero leverage. It doesn't matter if he declined workouts. If you draft him he's under our control for like 7 years regardless.

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Don't hold his agent's actions against him. He's just following some bad professional advice.

The medical records are the important thing. It's hard to take a guy without them.

totally agree.  They have plenty of tape on him.

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Don't hold his agent's actions against him. He's just following some bad professional advice.

The medical records are the important thing. It's hard to take a guy without them.

Yeah. I'm putting this much more on Armstrong than Jackson himself.


Agreed,


But at the same time, if the two players are close and you have questions about one player (and there are questions about Jackson) and you cannot even ask those questions, it matters.

I don't think they are close, inasmuch as their strengths/weaknesses are so different from one another. I see Jackson as a point forward facilitator who can play multiple defensive positions, and Tatum who is the superior shot creator. 

Brad's opinion may weigh heavily here. Brad was also a reason we traded up to take Kelly in  2013, by the way, so take that with a grain of salt.

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Don't hold his agent's actions against him. He's just following some bad professional advice.

The medical records are the important thing. It's hard to take a guy without them.

Yeah. I'm putting this much more on Armstrong than Jackson himself.


Agreed,


But at the same time, if the two players are close and you have questions about one player (and there are questions about Jackson) and you cannot even ask those questions, it matters.

I don't think they are close, inasmuch as their strengths/weaknesses are so different from one another. I see Jackson as a point forward facilitator who can play multiple defensive positions, and Tatum who is the superior shot creator. 

Brad's opinion may weigh heavily here. Brad was also a reason we traded up to take Kelly in  2013, by the way, so take that with a grain of salt.


I don't mean close in terms of skill sets, but close in terms of overall value.



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Don't hold his agent's actions against him. He's just following some bad professional advice.

The medical records are the important thing. It's hard to take a guy without them.
Did the agent make these demands on every other team that had him in?  I mean this is just weird.  I understand there is injury risk and I understand there is a playing time problem with Boston that probably didn't exist with other teams, but why make demands on Boston that you don't make on any other team?  Why refuse to give medicals until the last minute?  I can't see the agent doing those sorts of things without Jackson's blessing. I'd avoid Jackson like the plague.  It just doesn't sit well with me.  I hope he takes a fall as a result of this.
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I'm happy to see that the Celtics received Jackson's medical records. Not too concerned about the individual workout, since Danny and his staff have been scouting these kids for some time now. Having seen Jackson play, the kid is too good to pass up. I think his agent is getting in the way because he is already concerned about Jackson signing a max extension. If the kid is good enough, the playing time will be there. If he shows signs of being a really good player, then he will get max money from somewhere.

I wonder if he as a promise from Phoenix. BTW, if he gets picked by Sacramento, he will fire his agent within two years for not allowing him to workout for Boston.

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Jackson has zero leverage. It doesn't matter if he declined workouts. If you draft him he's under our control for like 7 years regardless.

His agent doesn't understand having/not having leverage.  Just look at the whole Donatas Motiejunas situation
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Good.

Danny must have felt that I have watched a lot of Jayson Tatum videos in the last three days that he didn't want to disappoint.  ;)

In all seriousness, I really like Tatum over Jackson, so this is awesome for me. I just don't think we need another non-shooter when we have Marcus and Jaylen who still haven't figured out their shots.
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