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Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
« Reply #870 on: December 26, 2017, 12:02:52 PM »

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They need a real PG. Need to move Ball to SG


34.9% FG  29% from the three.  48% from the three  10 PPG.  Ball would make a great SG for LA.

Yeah, that was a rather bizarre statement.

Lonzo would be even worse as a SG. You cannot play a player like him off the ball. He literally brings absolutely nothing to the game on the offensive side of court when the ball is not in his hands.

Ball gives them a secondary ball-handler and facilitator at SG. He still gives them all of his value in transition play at SG.

What it adds LAL is that it gives them a true dribble penetration threat which they currently lack in that starting lineup. As a result, everything they do is in front of a set defense. They do not move the opposition defense well enough. Without a defense scrambling = more contested shots. More contested jump-shots. That is because of Ball at PG. Move Ball to SG and LAL would get much higher percentage shots in the half-court.

Ball would be a major weapon in transition and as a secondary playmaker. Very rare to have a SG with his passing ability and ball-handling. He would be a weapon there. Just a different kind of weapon (not scorer/shooter).

Same type of weapon Ball is at PG really. Just at SG and with a better lineup configuration for the rest of the team to operate.

Whatever gains the Lakers saw in transition would be lost ten fold in the half-court. You can't have a player like him playing off the ball because a defense can just park their big in the paint.

GSW did this to Tony Allen a few years back and it basically rendered TA unplayable in that series.

It is the same as Smart on offense at SG.

And Ball is even more skillful as a passer and ball-handler than Smart is.

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Edit: Neither player (Smart, Ball) is like TA because of their skills as a ball-handler and passer. They are both much more of a threat than TA.

LA can still get Ball plenty of touches as a ball-handler and playmaker at SG without needing him to be the primary ball-handler all the time. Like Boston does with Smart. Like GSW can do with Draymond Green. Ball will still be a threat as a playmaker at SG. He will not stand in the corner all the time and he will not be the primary playmaker all the time (as he is in LA's starting unit).
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Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
« Reply #871 on: December 26, 2017, 12:34:48 PM »

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It is the same as Smart on offense at SG.

And Ball is even more skillful as a passer and ball-handler than Smart is.

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Edit: Neither player (Smart, Ball) is like TA because of their skills as a ball-handler and passer. They are both much more of a threat than TA.


You're right, Marcus Smart is a better comparison, and Smart is atrocious on offense when he isn't the primary ball-handler.

Another good comparison would be a younger Rajon Rondo. Lonzo Ball will be lucky to ever become half the shooter Rondo is. And I don't think anyone has ever tried to claim playing Rondo at SG would be a good idea.

Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
« Reply #872 on: December 26, 2017, 01:09:47 PM »

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It is the same as Smart on offense at SG.

And Ball is even more skillful as a passer and ball-handler than Smart is.

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Edit: Neither player (Smart, Ball) is like TA because of their skills as a ball-handler and passer. They are both much more of a threat than TA.


You're right, Marcus Smart is a better comparison, and Smart is atrocious on offense when he isn't the primary ball-handler.

Another good comparison would be a younger Rajon Rondo. Lonzo Ball will be lucky to ever become half the shooter Rondo is. And I don't think anyone has ever tried to claim playing Rondo at SG would be a good idea.

I don't think Ball has the quickness to get by his man and into the paint as Rondo did (to get opponent's defense off balance, force help defense actions). That is why I do not think Ball can have the same success as Rondo at PG and why I think Ball will be better off as a SG and secondary playmaker ... rather than someone like Rondo who you can run a large chunk of your offense through because Ball does not have that dribble penetration to shoulder as much responsibility on offense as Rondo did.

That is also why I would compare Ball more to Smart than Rondo.

Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
« Reply #873 on: December 26, 2017, 02:03:24 PM »

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They need a real PG. Need to move Ball to SG


34.9% FG  29% from the three.  48% from the three  10 PPG.  Ball would make a great SG for LA.

Yeah, that was a rather bizarre statement.

Lonzo would be even worse as a SG. You cannot play a player like him off the ball. He literally brings absolutely nothing to the game on the offensive side of court when the ball is not in his hands.
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Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
« Reply #874 on: December 26, 2017, 02:07:12 PM »

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I have a hard time believing a bad team can actually implode. 
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PG - Teague, Rubio, MCW, Stone
SG - Monk, Lamb, Muhammad
SF - Wiggins, Sefolosha, Bacon
PF - Kaminsky, Faried, O'Bryant
C - Howard, Bradley

Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
« Reply #875 on: December 26, 2017, 02:36:40 PM »

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Merging this with Lakers Season thread.

Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
« Reply #876 on: December 26, 2017, 02:41:53 PM »

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Just because Ball isn't going to the basket this year doesn't mean he is incapable of it. I hold a lot more hope that Ball can become an average to great penetrator who finishes or dishes than an above average to great outside shooter. Keep Ball at PG and let him grow. He has only played less than a half season.

Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
« Reply #877 on: December 26, 2017, 09:17:47 PM »

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Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
« Reply #878 on: December 26, 2017, 09:29:52 PM »

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Just saw the final 10.2 seconds of Dallas beating the Raptors to move to 10-25. Lonzo's shooting fwiw hasn't been as bad the last few weeks...


Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
« Reply #879 on: December 26, 2017, 10:15:39 PM »

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Mirotic playing like an all-star

Pick looking great


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Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
« Reply #880 on: December 26, 2017, 10:19:36 PM »

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Man the separation between 2-11 is crazy right now lol Going to be a wild ride to watch  ;D

Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
« Reply #881 on: December 26, 2017, 11:21:00 PM »

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Good night for the pick - Bulls and Mavs win with guaranteed wins coming from two of Phoenix, Memphis, Sacramento, and LAC.

Not sure which two I want to win. My brain says Memphis and LAC, since they should comfortably stay ahead of LAL once Conley and Griffin return. But my heart says Phoenix and Sacramento to potentially push LAL even closer to the bottom!
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Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
« Reply #882 on: December 26, 2017, 11:45:26 PM »

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Two wild dunks to end this. Thankfully no OT since Memphis plays LAL tomorrow.

Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
« Reply #883 on: December 26, 2017, 11:47:27 PM »

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Two wild dunks to end this. Thankfully no OT since Memphis plays LAL tomorrow.

hope they take it out on fakers tomorrow!  get em

Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
« Reply #884 on: December 27, 2017, 12:06:52 AM »

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If Memphis beats LA tomorrow and the Bulls best the Knicks, the Lakers will be at the 4th slot and only a loss away from the 3rd slot if I am not mistaken.
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