#3 for Zinger - Only Way This Makes Sense

[jmen788]

I didn't know much about Fultz but don't love this deal because there is no guarantee the pick we get from LAL/SAC is as good as #1 this year (in fact, the odds say it won't be).

The only way I will be okay with this deal is if we trade #3 for Zinger AND keep both LAL/SAC and BKN 18. Zinger is on a rookie deal that is for less money than the #3 slot this year (I think - fact check please?) and he isn't an amazing rebounder, but is better than what we have and is young, can shoot the 3 somewhat, etc.

Butler and George would be redundant, especially if we get Hayward, and we badly need a big man...Who is more likely to say no to this trade - NYK or BOS?

[Somebody]

Both teams would jump on the trade, especially if we add some spare 1sts for him and O'Quinn

[hodgy03038]

Why would NY want to do this? Someone they get at #3 is better than Porzingis?

[max215]

I would now be okay with trading for Porzingis. I would assume he'd cost more than just #3, though.

[perks-a-beast]

No way Knicks do it.

Kristaps has already been fully embraced by the fans of New York. Jackson knows players like him don't come along very often. You can find guys like Jackson, Tatum in almost every draft. They're not giving up their unicorn.

[footey]

Zinger not available.

And if he were, it would take all of our picks, plus Crowder and Bradley, just to get the conversation started.

His trade value is double that of Butler's and look at the reported packages for him.

[SHAQATTACK]

as with Davis ,  not happening man. .....Sorry

Best we can hope for is Two of ....Griffin, Butler , George or Hayward .

I think we get ONE for sure.

[kozlodoev]

This is getting really funny now.

[KGs Knee]

If Ainge had any chance of trading for Porzingis he would have just traded the #1 to NYK.

You aren't getting Porzingis for the #3 pick, not even Phil Jackson is that dumb.

[hodgy03038]

as with Davis ,  not happening man. .....Sorry

Best we can hope for is Two of ....Griffin, Butler , George or Hayward .

I think we get ONE for sure.

Don't want a 1-year rental of PG13 unless he is cheap which he won't be.

[jmen788]

#3 and Crowder and 2019 LAC pick for Zinger?

[hodgy03038]

#3 and Crowder and 2019 LAC pick for Zinger?

Now that is innovative and might make them at least consider.

[jmen788]

#3 and Crowder and 2019 LAC pick for Zinger?

Now that is innovative and might make them at least consider.

Haha, thanks! I just figure it's worth it as with Brown, possibly Hayward, etc, we can afford to give up Jay and his valuable contract for a much better fit for our core.

Another thing to consider: Maybe if the Knicks consider trading Zinger to us they would add a stipulation that we have to take back Carmelo too, which means no Hayward. Should we still do it then?

[IDreamCeltics]

Both teams would jump on the trade, especially if we add some spare 1sts for him and O'Quinn

What are you talking about?  Porzingis is the only untouchable player on that entire roster.  The Knicks have made it clear by repeatedly trying to talk Melo into voiding his no-trade clause that Porzingis is their building block.  The odds of actually hitting on a superstar with the number 3 pick are about 15%... That's why it's so stupid to trade down from the #1 spot where the odds of drafting a superstar are more than twice that.

Let's look at the last 20 years of draft picks

Since 1997 3 superstars were drafted at #3 overall Carmelo Anthony, James Harden, and Pau Gasol.

2016  Jaylen Brown
2015  Jahil Okafor
2014  Joel Embiid
2013  Otto Porter    Georgetown    Washington
2012  Bradley Beal    Florida    Washington
2011  Enes Kanter    Kentucky    Utah
2010  Derrick Favors    Georgia Tech    New Jersey
2009  James Harden    Arizona State    Oklahoma
2008    O.J. Mayo   USC   Minnesota
2007    Al Horford    Florida   Atlanta
2006    Adam Morrison   Gonzaga   Portland
2005    Deron Williams   Illinois Jr.   Utah
2004    Ben Gordon   UConn Jr.   Chicago
2003    Carmelo Anthony   Syracuse Fr.   Denver
2002    Mike Dunleavy   Duke Jr.   Golden State
2001    Pau Gasol   Spain   Memphis
2000    Darius Miles   HSSr.   LA Clippers
1999    Baron Davis   UCLA So.   NO Hornets
1998    Raef LaFrentz    Kansas    Denver
1997    Chauncey Billups   Colorado   Boston

What you get at #3 is a wealth of guys who range from serviceable NBA bench players to all-stars, but arguably only 1 or 2 guys you'd actually build a team around. 

This is basically why the Knicks would be insane to trade Porzingis for anything less than the first overall pick.  They already struck lottery gold with him.  They'd be taking on a MASSIVE risk that they wouldn't get anything near his value in return. 


 

[Ilikesports17]

Knocks don't do it.

I don't like Zinger and felt #1 was an overpay but 3 doesn't get it done.