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Which pick is more valuable?

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Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2017, 05:51:39 PM »

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Really? So Ayton would barely be a lotto guy in this draft? And before you answer this please tell me how many times you have seen him actually play a game.

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2017, 05:54:44 PM »

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The only one out of that group id rate as faster than Ayton is DJ Wilson, and he is a wing.
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Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2017, 05:58:31 PM »

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The only one out of that group id rate as faster than Ayton is DJ Wilson, and he is a wing.

I watched the vast majority of Wilson's college games, and probably was the first one on this site to mention him, and I can assure you -- he's not a wing. He's an athletic 4 and a small-ball stretch 5.  He's quick enough laterally to guard a 3 for short stretches, but a wing he is not.
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Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2017, 06:27:20 PM »

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Really? So Ayton would barely be a lotto guy in this draft? And before you answer this please tell me how many times you have seen him actually play a game.

I think you are misunderstanding this list.

These are bigs (4's and 5's) in this past draft that I would consider more athletic than Deandre Ayton.

As you can see, it's not a long list at all.  I think Ayton is a great athlete.

None of the guys that I mentioned are in the same stratosphere as Ayton as a prospect overall.

I have seen two full high school game that Ayton played in, and two all-star games he has played in.
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Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2017, 06:50:45 PM »

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I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2017, 06:56:23 PM »

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Really? So Ayton would barely be a lotto guy in this draft? And before you answer this please tell me how many times you have seen him actually play a game.

I think you are misunderstanding this list.

These are bigs (4's and 5's) in this past draft that I would consider more athletic than Deandre Ayton.

As you can see, it's not a long list at all.  I think Ayton is a great athlete.

None of the guys that I mentioned are in the same stratosphere as Ayton as a prospect overall.

I have seen two full high school game that Ayton played in, and two all-star games he has played in.

OK I have seen about 7 or 8 but I think we are both working from a decent baseline. The initial statement was that he is slow based on highlights. The question then became guys that have greater mobility and explosiveness. I would say some of those guys are more fluid athletes but I dont see them more as both more explosive and mobile than Ayton. Thoughts?

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2017, 11:13:40 AM »

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I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow. 

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2017, 11:46:13 AM »

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I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2017, 06:03:09 PM »

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I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2017, 02:22:40 AM »

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I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2017, 01:54:41 PM »

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I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow
Like a person who is fast for a normal human being but not fast relative to NBA guards.  Certainly not an NBA PG.  Not as quick as Gordon Hayward, e.g. 

Watch some old Euro highlights of Bogdanovic.  He's a facilitator on offense, running by people in transition.  He's disruptive defensively, blocking shots and getting in passing lanes.  Averaging 20 and 4-5 assists and shooting insane percentages.  How'd that translate?  He's a nice NBA role player, mostly relegated to spot up shooter, because he's not QUICK enough to separate against NBA athletes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vz7fXub84

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2017, 02:01:48 PM »

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I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow
Like a person who is fast for a normal human being but not fast relative to NBA guards.  Certainly not an NBA PG.  Not as quick as Gordon Hayward, e.g. 

Watch some old Euro highlights of Bogdanovic.  He's a facilitator on offense, running by people in transition.  He's disruptive defensively, blocking shots and getting in passing lanes.  Averaging 20 and 4-5 assists and shooting insane percentages.  How'd that translate?  He's a nice NBA role player, mostly relegated to spot up shooter, because he's not QUICK enough to separate against NBA athletes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vz7fXub84

Will be interesting to see how Doncic performs at the combine. I see no quickness measurements on him anywhere. Until we see those, it's all speculative in regards to how "slow" he is..

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2017, 02:25:13 PM »

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I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow
Like a person who is fast for a normal human being but not fast relative to NBA guards.  Certainly not an NBA PG.  Not as quick as Gordon Hayward, e.g. 

Watch some old Euro highlights of Bogdanovic.  He's a facilitator on offense, running by people in transition.  He's disruptive defensively, blocking shots and getting in passing lanes.  Averaging 20 and 4-5 assists and shooting insane percentages.  How'd that translate?  He's a nice NBA role player, mostly relegated to spot up shooter, because he's not QUICK enough to separate against NBA athletes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vz7fXub84

Confusing Bogdanovics?

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2017, 05:38:19 PM »

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I'd love to get Ayton, Porter, or Doncic next season. I believe all 3 have superstar potential.

But if it falls to 2019, Zion Williamson and Moses Brown look great. Since we can't get #1 for 2019, we can't get Bagley, who will almost certainly be #1.
Doncic looks like an NBA role player.  Chandler Parsons / Mike Miller hybrid.  He doesn't have the athleticism to be a slasher in the NBA.  Never get a shot off.

Porter has some upside.  Ayton is awfully slow.  But they're all very young... time will tell.

He would "never" get a shot off?
Like Adam Morrison or Jerebko.  He gets the shot off, but it's a sweeping hook because that's the ONLY way it's not getting blocked.  So he becomes a spot up shooter.

Getting your shot blocked half the time is the exact same as 100%.  You're not in the NBA.

Being 6'8 without shoes as a PG helps you get your shot off.
No way he's playing PG in the league.  Too slow.
Your analysis of Doncic is about as worthwhile as your take on Ayton.
Are you saying you think he's fast enough to play PG?  In the NBA.
how is he slow
Like a person who is fast for a normal human being but not fast relative to NBA guards.  Certainly not an NBA PG.  Not as quick as Gordon Hayward, e.g. 

Watch some old Euro highlights of Bogdanovic.  He's a facilitator on offense, running by people in transition.  He's disruptive defensively, blocking shots and getting in passing lanes.  Averaging 20 and 4-5 assists and shooting insane percentages.  How'd that translate?  He's a nice NBA role player, mostly relegated to spot up shooter, because he's not QUICK enough to separate against NBA athletes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vz7fXub84

Confusing Bogdanovics?
Whoops.  Yeah, I did a quick search and grabbed the wrong vid.

Re: If its between 2018 Lakers pick or 2019 Kings pick... (poll)
« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2017, 06:24:21 PM »

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Is the Kings pick totally unprotected? I ask because it's clear to me that the Lakers will win around 40 games this year.