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Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2017, 11:09:26 AM »

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I think one can have respect for the office of the President without having respect for the man in the office. I think one can have respect for the political views of the opposite position but still protest against that position.

Isn't that is what is going on here? Locally its happened a couple of times. Several Patriots didn't go to the White House in protest of Trump. Tim Thomas of the Bruins didn't visit the White House over his disdain for Obama and democratic policies. It goes both ways.

I have no problem with Thomas, the Patriots, or the Warriors exercising their first amendment rights to protest. Can't see why anyone would.

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« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2017, 12:16:24 PM »

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I think one can have respect for the office of the President without having respect for the man in the office. I think one can have respect for the political views of the opposite position but still protest against that position.

Isn't that is what is going on here? Locally its happened a couple of times. Several Patriots didn't go to the White House in protest of Trump. Tim Thomas of the Bruins didn't visit the White House over his disdain for Obama and democratic policies. It goes both ways.

I have no problem with Thomas, the Patriots, or the Warriors exercising their first amendment rights to protest. Can't see why anyone would.

I agree. Being forced to pay respects to someone who does not respect you and has not earned respect is not democratic; it is the practice of monarchs.

Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2017, 12:52:31 PM »

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I just find it unbelievable that anyone is talking about the Warriors needing to "respect the Office of the President" after the way Trump has behaved the past five months. All of the sudden Trump supporters want to hold professional athletes to a higher standard than the President of the United States.

Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2017, 01:41:17 PM »

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I haven't posted on here in a long time; I'm more of a periodic lurker.  However, reading this chain made me think back to the Tim Thomas snubbing of President Obama, and ultimately, made me want to share some links I found.

I should qualify this post by acknowledging that I'm an independent; although an independent in New England is probably liberal throughout the rest of the country.  What bothers me the most about politics is the hypocrisy (from both sides) where your argument is just trying to fit your political beliefs.

Anyways, back on topic...as I read through this chain, I couldn't help but remember the exact same arguments being made when Tim Thomas skipped the White House event, but this time, the arguments are coming from the opposite side of the aisle.  It was a long time ago, so I thought I could just be mis-remembering, so I did a quick Google search.  The returns validated my memory.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1037288-tim-thomas-the-ugly-truth-behind-his-white-house-refusal

http://www.espn.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/7495441/tim-thomas-picked-wrong-time-make-statement

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/24/boston-bruins-goalie-skips-white-house-visit-to-make-political-statement/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tim-thomas-skips-white-house-visit-did-his-political-statement-backfire/2012/01/24/gIQAMx2JOQ_story.html?utm_term=.da4899ff0e12

I then found an article - not in response to the Warriors, but the Patriots players who skipped the White House - that basically already did the research I was looking for.

https://heatst.com/uncategorized/flashback-when-boston-bruin-snubbed-obama-at-white-house-media-reaction-was-very-different/

I guess the reason for this post is to just point out the hypocrisy of the moment.  When the democratic president was being snubbed, liberals (and as such, a good chunk of the media) said it was disrespectful and conservatives thought it was great.  Now it's a republication president being snubbed and conservatives say it's disrespectful and liberals think it's great.

All that's left is to justify to yourself why these two events are not the same thing.

EDIT: I'm disappointed in myself that I finally reply to a thread after years of not doing so and it was to discuss politics; not the Celtics.  My bad.

Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2017, 01:46:54 PM »

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I personally don't think pro sports teams should be invited to the White House each year and treated like heroes for doing their job while they get paid millions, regardless of political offiliations. These guys are already extremely well paid and well celebrated , then they also receive a parade and media attention for ages. Its absurd. I mean, with that logic you may as well invite every Emmy award and Grammy award winner too.

Celebrate some real heroes instead like police officers, firefighters, doctors, nurses, and teachers.

Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2017, 01:48:19 PM »

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I haven't posted on here in a long time; I'm more of a periodic lurker.  However, reading this chain made me think back to the Tim Thomas snubbing of President Obama, and ultimately, made me want to share some links I found.

I should qualify this post by acknowledging that I'm an independent; although an independent in New England is probably liberal throughout the rest of the country.  What bothers me the most about politics is the hypocrisy (from both sides) where your argument is just trying to fit your political beliefs.

Anyways, back on topic...as I read through this chain, I couldn't help but remember the exact same arguments being made when Tim Thomas skipped the White House event, but this time, the arguments are coming from the opposite side of the aisle.  It was a long time ago, so I thought I could just be mis-remembering, so I did a quick Google search.  The returns validated my memory.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1037288-tim-thomas-the-ugly-truth-behind-his-white-house-refusal

http://www.espn.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/7495441/tim-thomas-picked-wrong-time-make-statement

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/24/boston-bruins-goalie-skips-white-house-visit-to-make-political-statement/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tim-thomas-skips-white-house-visit-did-his-political-statement-backfire/2012/01/24/gIQAMx2JOQ_story.html?utm_term=.da4899ff0e12

I then found an article - not in response to the Warriors, but the Patriots players who skipped the White House - that basically already did the research I was looking for.

https://heatst.com/uncategorized/flashback-when-boston-bruin-snubbed-obama-at-white-house-media-reaction-was-very-different/

I guess the reason for this post is to just point out the hypocrisy of the moment.  When the democratic president was being snubbed, liberals (and as such, a good chunk of the media) said it was disrespectful and conservatives thought it was great.  Now it's a republication president being snubbed and conservatives say it's disrespectful and liberals think it's great.

All that's left is to justify to yourself why these two events are not the same thing.

EDIT: I'm disappointed in myself that I finally reply to a thread after years of not doing so and it was to discuss politics; not the Celtics.  My bad.

Pretty spot on.


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Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #96 on: June 16, 2017, 01:51:15 PM »

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I have to say, I really couldn't care less if the Warriors don't want to go to the White House. So what, it's their right to refuse if they choose. Good for them if that is what makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

But I also don't care what their political leanings are either. I don't really care what they have to say about anything, really. Their opinions aren't worth any more or less than anyone else's.

This thread is pretty funny though, especially all of the way over the top reactions. A lot of people have made themselves look really stupid with some of the stuff being said.

Here's a perfect example of a garbage post:

Everyone please stop responding to this nonsense.  Will be last time I bump or look at this thread as im pretty sure it was created by a racist crazy person who thinks Black Athletes owe America something.

Heck, it even came with the standard liberal craptastic argument that if you disagree with me you must be racist.

Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #97 on: June 16, 2017, 01:53:22 PM »

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I personally don't think pro sports teams should be invited to the White House each year and treated like heroes for doing their job while they get paid millions, regardless of political offiliations. These guys are already extremely well paid and well celebrated , then they also receive a parade and media attention for ages. Its absurd. I mean, with that logic you may as well invite every Emmy award and Grammy award winner too.

Celebrate some real heroes instead like police officers, firefighters, doctors, nurses, and teachers.

This is a very good point

Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #98 on: June 16, 2017, 01:56:42 PM »

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I haven't posted on here in a long time; I'm more of a periodic lurker.  However, reading this chain made me think back to the Tim Thomas snubbing of President Obama, and ultimately, made me want to share some links I found.

I should qualify this post by acknowledging that I'm an independent; although an independent in New England is probably liberal throughout the rest of the country.  What bothers me the most about politics is the hypocrisy (from both sides) where your argument is just trying to fit your political beliefs.

Anyways, back on topic...as I read through this chain, I couldn't help but remember the exact same arguments being made when Tim Thomas skipped the White House event, but this time, the arguments are coming from the opposite side of the aisle.  It was a long time ago, so I thought I could just be mis-remembering, so I did a quick Google search.  The returns validated my memory.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1037288-tim-thomas-the-ugly-truth-behind-his-white-house-refusal

http://www.espn.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/7495441/tim-thomas-picked-wrong-time-make-statement

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/24/boston-bruins-goalie-skips-white-house-visit-to-make-political-statement/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tim-thomas-skips-white-house-visit-did-his-political-statement-backfire/2012/01/24/gIQAMx2JOQ_story.html?utm_term=.da4899ff0e12

I then found an article - not in response to the Warriors, but the Patriots players who skipped the White House - that basically already did the research I was looking for.

https://heatst.com/uncategorized/flashback-when-boston-bruin-snubbed-obama-at-white-house-media-reaction-was-very-different/

I guess the reason for this post is to just point out the hypocrisy of the moment.  When the democratic president was being snubbed, liberals (and as such, a good chunk of the media) said it was disrespectful and conservatives thought it was great.  Now it's a republication president being snubbed and conservatives say it's disrespectful and liberals think it's great.

All that's left is to justify to yourself why these two events are not the same thing.

EDIT: I'm disappointed in myself that I finally reply to a thread after years of not doing so and it was to discuss politics; not the Celtics.  My bad.

Pretty spot on.

This would be pretty spot on if Donald Trump was George W. Bush, George Bush, or even Ronald Reagan for that matter.  But this isn't just about politics, this is about Donald Trump being an ugly human being. 

I have no problem with Tim Thomas skipping a visit to Obama's White House, but I suppose those in the "disrespecting the Office of the President" could gripe. 

I do have a problem with anyone claiming the Warriors, Pats, or anyone else is "disrespecting the Office of the President" given that Trump has behaved while in office.  He's disrespected the Office more than anyone has ever done.  As I said in another post, you can't hold ordinary citizens to a higher bar than you set for the President. 

Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2017, 02:08:25 PM »

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I haven't posted on here in a long time; I'm more of a periodic lurker.  However, reading this chain made me think back to the Tim Thomas snubbing of President Obama, and ultimately, made me want to share some links I found.

I should qualify this post by acknowledging that I'm an independent; although an independent in New England is probably liberal throughout the rest of the country.  What bothers me the most about politics is the hypocrisy (from both sides) where your argument is just trying to fit your political beliefs.

Anyways, back on topic...as I read through this chain, I couldn't help but remember the exact same arguments being made when Tim Thomas skipped the White House event, but this time, the arguments are coming from the opposite side of the aisle.  It was a long time ago, so I thought I could just be mis-remembering, so I did a quick Google search.  The returns validated my memory.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1037288-tim-thomas-the-ugly-truth-behind-his-white-house-refusal

http://www.espn.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/7495441/tim-thomas-picked-wrong-time-make-statement

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/24/boston-bruins-goalie-skips-white-house-visit-to-make-political-statement/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tim-thomas-skips-white-house-visit-did-his-political-statement-backfire/2012/01/24/gIQAMx2JOQ_story.html?utm_term=.da4899ff0e12

I then found an article - not in response to the Warriors, but the Patriots players who skipped the White House - that basically already did the research I was looking for.

https://heatst.com/uncategorized/flashback-when-boston-bruin-snubbed-obama-at-white-house-media-reaction-was-very-different/

I guess the reason for this post is to just point out the hypocrisy of the moment.  When the democratic president was being snubbed, liberals (and as such, a good chunk of the media) said it was disrespectful and conservatives thought it was great.  Now it's a republication president being snubbed and conservatives say it's disrespectful and liberals think it's great.

All that's left is to justify to yourself why these two events are not the same thing.

EDIT: I'm disappointed in myself that I finally reply to a thread after years of not doing so and it was to discuss politics; not the Celtics.  My bad.

Pretty spot on.

This would be pretty spot on if Donald Trump was George W. Bush, George Bush, or even Ronald Reagan for that matter.  But this isn't just about politics, this is about Donald Trump being an ugly human being. 

I have no problem with Tim Thomas skipping a visit to Obama's White House, but I suppose those in the "disrespecting the Office of the President" could gripe. 

I do have a problem with anyone claiming the Warriors, Pats, or anyone else is "disrespecting the Office of the President" given that Trump has behaved while in office.  He's disrespected the Office more than anyone has ever done.  As I said in another post, you can't hold ordinary citizens to a higher bar than you set for the President.
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Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #100 on: June 16, 2017, 02:24:08 PM »

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I personally don't think pro sports teams should be invited to the White House each year and treated like heroes for doing their job while they get paid millions, regardless of political offiliations. These guys are already extremely well paid and well celebrated , then they also receive a parade and media attention for ages. Its absurd. I mean, with that logic you may as well invite every Emmy award and Grammy award winner too.

Celebrate some real heroes instead like police officers, firefighters, doctors, nurses, and teachers.

Exactly. I never understood why teams even go to the White House in the first place.
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Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #101 on: June 16, 2017, 02:32:39 PM »

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Ideally I'd like athletes to go to the White House, if only to preserve the tradition and to recognize how important sport is. But, it's up to the teams, and the teams generally defer to the players.

If I were running a team I'd probably treat this as an official team activity that was mandatory. The opposite point of view is equally valid.


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Re: No Respect/No Class Warriors
« Reply #102 on: August 03, 2017, 11:36:59 PM »

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The OP is a terrible human being.  She actually makes me like the Warriors a little bit.

"a terrible human being" ?

That is quite a vicious attack to make on a stranger, who you somehow concluded was a woman. I am neither terrible or a woman. I simply have a lot of respect for the traditions of our country and all those every-day folks who never sniffed millions of dollars, yet went through pure hell fighting for our freedom.

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« Reply #103 on: August 04, 2017, 01:16:28 AM »

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The OP is a terrible human being.  She actually makes me like the Warriors a little bit.

"a terrible human being" ?

That is quite a vicious attack to make on a stranger, who you somehow concluded was a woman. I am neither terrible or a woman. I simply have a lot of respect for the traditions of our country and all those every-day folks who never sniffed millions of dollars, yet went through pure hell fighting for our freedom.
Congratulations. None of that has anything to do with the Warriors deciding not to go to the White House.
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