Shorter playoffs lowering salary cap

[celticsclay]

Hey all,

Thought this would spark some interesting discussion as it came up in a separate thread, but it s pretty fascinating. Some pretty respected cap experts are projecting the playoffs this year
(Shortest since 2003, 8-9 less games than last year) will cause the salary cap to go down 1 million dollars. It is noted this is a really conservative estimate and it will probably be more.

https://twitter.com/AlbertNahmad/status/872664938816393217

So add this to the long list of issues for the league with a lack of competition.

[Evantime34]

This could be bad for the Celtics. Everyone should be rooting for the Cavs to make a historic comeback.

[celticsclay]

This could be bad for the Celtics. Everyone should be rooting for the Cavs to make a historic comeback.

Well if it goes down for everyone how much does it hurt? Obviously could hurt for someone like Hayward, but maybe some other players get squeezed out that the Celtics would have interest in.

[Roy H.]

This could be bad for the Celtics. Everyone should be rooting for the Cavs to make a historic comeback.

Well if it goes down for everyone how much does it hurt? Obviously could hurt for someone like Hayward, but maybe some other players get squeezed out that the Celtics would have interest in.

It makes it harder for us to clear enough money to sign a max free agent, meaning we lose guys that we like or convince Hayward to take less money.

[celticsclay]

This could be bad for the Celtics. Everyone should be rooting for the Cavs to make a historic comeback.

Well if it goes down for everyone how much does it hurt? Obviously could hurt for someone like Hayward, but maybe some other players get squeezed out that the Celtics would have interest in.

It makes it harder for us to clear enough money to sign a max free agent, meaning we lose guys that we like or convince Hayward to take less money.

So now we have to root for Cleveland?

[saltlover]

This could be bad for the Celtics. Everyone should be rooting for the Cavs to make a historic comeback.

Well if it goes down for everyone how much does it hurt? Obviously could hurt for someone like Hayward, but maybe some other players get squeezed out that the Celtics would have interest in.

It makes it harder for us to clear enough money to sign a max free agent, meaning we lose guys that we like or convince Hayward to take less money.

Yeah, pretty much.  The easiest path to creating cap space was to trade Jackson and Bradley for no salary this year, and have Yab stay overseas another year.  If the cap drops another million because of this, down to $100 million, it means the team is over $1 million shy of max room, meaning Rozier would need to be moved as well.  Furthermore, it means that the other best option for max room, Dumping Jackson, keeping Yab overseas, dumping, Rozier, and letting Olynyk walk, is still $1 million short.

[RodyTur10]

This could be bad for the Celtics. Everyone should be rooting for the Cavs to make a historic comeback.

Well if it goes down for everyone how much does it hurt? Obviously could hurt for someone like Hayward, but maybe some other players get squeezed out that the Celtics would have interest in.

It makes it harder for us to clear enough money to sign a max free agent, meaning we lose guys that we like or convince Hayward to take less money.

Yeah, pretty much.  The easiest path to creating cap space was to trade Jackson and Bradley for no salary this year, and have Yab stay overseas another year.  If the cap drops another million because of this, down to $100 million, it means the team is over $1 million shy of max room, meaning Rozier would need to be moved as well.  Furthermore, it means that the other best option for max room, Dumping Jackson, keeping Yab overseas, dumping, Rozier, and letting Olynyk walk, is still $1 million short.

That's a lot of players to be moved. If Thomas has to get a surgery and therefore not be able to play for a big part of the season it may make more sense to cut him.

[MBunge]

I think people are forgetting about Zeller and his $8 million dollar expiring.  Ship him out for a couple of future 2nd rounders and that takes care of most of these issues.

Mike

[saltlover]

This could be bad for the Celtics. Everyone should be rooting for the Cavs to make a historic comeback.

Well if it goes down for everyone how much does it hurt? Obviously could hurt for someone like Hayward, but maybe some other players get squeezed out that the Celtics would have interest in.

It makes it harder for us to clear enough money to sign a max free agent, meaning we lose guys that we like or convince Hayward to take less money.

Yeah, pretty much.  The easiest path to creating cap space was to trade Jackson and Bradley for no salary this year, and have Yab stay overseas another year.  If the cap drops another million because of this, down to $100 million, it means the team is over $1 million shy of max room, meaning Rozier would need to be moved as well.  Furthermore, it means that the other best option for max room, Dumping Jackson, keeping Yab overseas, dumping, Rozier, and letting Olynyk walk, is still $1 million short.

That's a lot of players to be moved. If Thomas has to get a surgery and therefore not be able to play for a big part of the season it may make more sense to cut him.

This would never make any sense at all, especially since he's the main draw to a max free agent.

[saltlover]

I think people are forgetting about Zeller and his $8 million dollar expiring.  Ship him out for a couple of future 2nd rounders and that takes care of most of these issues.

Mike

No, Zeller is assumed to be released in all of these scenarios.  His salary is already excluded, as is Mickey's.  The only thing we forget is that he hasn't been released yet.

[gouki88]

This could be bad for the Celtics. Everyone should be rooting for the Cavs to make a historic comeback.

Well if it goes down for everyone how much does it hurt? Obviously could hurt for someone like Hayward, but maybe some other players get squeezed out that the Celtics would have interest in.

It makes it harder for us to clear enough money to sign a max free agent, meaning we lose guys that we like or convince Hayward to take less money.

Yeah, pretty much.  The easiest path to creating cap space was to trade Jackson and Bradley for no salary this year, and have Yab stay overseas another year.  If the cap drops another million because of this, down to $100 million, it means the team is over $1 million shy of max room, meaning Rozier would need to be moved as well.  Furthermore, it means that the other best option for max room, Dumping Jackson, keeping Yab overseas, dumping, Rozier, and letting Olynyk walk, is still $1 million short.

That's a lot of players to be moved. If Thomas has to get a surgery and therefore not be able to play for a big part of the season it may make more sense to cut him.

Sorry what? How would that make any sense at all seeming no max calibre free agent would come here if we cut our best player - who is our best player by a large margin.

[freshinthehouse]

I think people are forgetting about Zeller and his $8 million dollar expiring.  Ship him out for a couple of future 2nd rounders and that takes care of most of these issues.

Mike

Even if we opt out of Zeller's deal we'll still struggle to clear enough cap room for a max free agent deal.

[MBunge]

I think people are forgetting about Zeller and his $8 million dollar expiring.  Ship him out for a couple of future 2nd rounders and that takes care of most of these issues.

Mike

No, Zeller is assumed to be released in all of these scenarios.  His salary is already excluded, as is Mickey's.  The only thing we forget is that he hasn't been released yet.

Well, I must be confused on these numbers.  The salary cap next year is projected around $100 million, isn't it? And it looks to me that Boston, with Zeller, has only at most $76 million in salary if we pick up everyone's option next year.  A max salary for someone like Hayward would start around $30 million.

What am I missing?

Mike

[Jvalin]

That's really bad news for the C's.

[GreenEnvy]

This could be bad for the Celtics. Everyone should be rooting for the Cavs to make a historic comeback.

Well if it goes down for everyone how much does it hurt? Obviously could hurt for someone like Hayward, but maybe some other players get squeezed out that the Celtics would have interest in.

It makes it harder for us to clear enough money to sign a max free agent, meaning we lose guys that we like or convince Hayward to take less money.

Yeah, pretty much.  The easiest path to creating cap space was to trade Jackson and Bradley for no salary this year, and have Yab stay overseas another year.  If the cap drops another million because of this, down to $100 million, it means the team is over $1 million shy of max room, meaning Rozier would need to be moved as well.  Furthermore, it means that the other best option for max room, Dumping Jackson, keeping Yab overseas, dumping, Rozier, and letting Olynyk walk, is still $1 million short.

If Gordon Hayward is not coming here because of only being able to receive $29M starting salary, he isn't coming here for $30M.