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Re: What does the team that beats GSW look like?
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Hmm, well, aside from any team fielded by San Antonio, I think that this group just might be able to do it, in terms of starters vs. starters:

Dwight Howard
Myles Turner
Paul George
Arron Afflalo
Lance Stephenson

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Re: What does the team that beats GSW look like?
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Re: What does the team that beats GSW look like?
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No team in NBA history could beat Golden State in a 7 game series. 

Even this year's 1st Team All-NBA team of Kawhi, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Harden and Westbrook would struggle to co-exist as well as the shooters on the Warriors.  Too many ball-hogs and not enough efficient shooting.  Harden and Westbrook are both 34% three point shooters.  They would each fight over the ball jacking up shots.  Even if they allowed LeBron to run the offense, they aren't good enough shooters off the ball to win a shootout against a team of superstar 42% three point shooters. 

The team is the culmination of decades of athletic evolution and perfection of the sport.  Their four superstars are scientifically engineered for the modern style of NBA basketball.  Steph Curry is the best shooter to ever live.  Kevin Durant is the greatest pure offensive player to ever play the game.  Klay Thompson is of the 5 best shooters of all time.  Draymond Green is an ideal glue-guy Superstar. 

Do you know how many players in NBA history have averaged at least 19 points, at least 1 three pointer per game, while shooting at least 37% from three? Six.  They have half of them.   The six players:  Durant, Curry, Klay, Dirk, Mitch Richmond and Michael Redd.

You wouldn't beat them with Richmond, Redd and Dirk.

Golden State is unbeatable.
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Re: What does the team that beats GSW look like?
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No team in NBA history could beat Golden State in a 7 game series. 

Even this year's 1st Team All-NBA team of Kawhi, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Harden and Westbrook would struggle to co-exist as well as the shooters on the Warriors.  Too many ball-hogs and not enough efficient shooting.  Harden and Westbrook are both 34% three point shooters.  They would each fight over the ball jacking up shots.  Even if they allowed LeBron to run the offense, they aren't good enough shooters off the ball to win a shootout against a team of superstar 42% three point shooters. 

The team is the culmination of decades of athletic evolution and perfection of the sport.  Their four superstars are scientifically engineered for the modern style of NBA basketball.  Steph Curry is the best shooter to ever live.  Kevin Durant is the greatest pure offensive player to ever play the game.  Klay Thompson is of the 5 best shooters of all time.  Draymond Green is an ideal glue-guy Superstar. 

Do you know how many players in NBA history have averaged at least 19 points, at least 1 three pointer per game, while shooting at least 37% from three? Six.  They have half of them.   The six players:  Durant, Curry, Klay, Dirk, Mitch Richmond and Michael Redd.

You wouldn't beat them with Richmond, Redd and Dirk.

Golden State is unbeatable.
Oh, get over them.  Any team can be beaten.  They are one weak last 3 minutes from Cleveland from being tied in this series.

Re: What does the team that beats GSW look like?
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2017, 05:43:22 AM »

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No team in NBA history could beat Golden State in a 7 game series. 

Even this year's 1st Team All-NBA team of Kawhi, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Harden and Westbrook would struggle to co-exist as well as the shooters on the Warriors.  Too many ball-hogs and not enough efficient shooting.  Harden and Westbrook are both 34% three point shooters.  They would each fight over the ball jacking up shots.  Even if they allowed LeBron to run the offense, they aren't good enough shooters off the ball to win a shootout against a team of superstar 42% three point shooters. 

The team is the culmination of decades of athletic evolution and perfection of the sport.  Their four superstars are scientifically engineered for the modern style of NBA basketball.  Steph Curry is the best shooter to ever live.  Kevin Durant is the greatest pure offensive player to ever play the game.  Klay Thompson is of the 5 best shooters of all time.  Draymond Green is an ideal glue-guy Superstar. 

Do you know how many players in NBA history have averaged at least 19 points, at least 1 three pointer per game, while shooting at least 37% from three? Six.  They have half of them.   The six players:  Durant, Curry, Klay, Dirk, Mitch Richmond and Michael Redd.

You wouldn't beat them with Richmond, Redd and Dirk.

Golden State is unbeatable.
If that's the case what should the C's do? Take a step back? Blow it up?


Oh, get over them.  Any team can be beaten.  They are one weak last 3 minutes from Cleveland from being tied in this series.
The Cavs aren't just any team. They are hands down the 2nd best team in the league and it's likely they lose the series in 5 games.
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Re: What does the team that beats GSW look like?
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No team in NBA history could beat Golden State in a 7 game series. 

Even this year's 1st Team All-NBA team of Kawhi, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Harden and Westbrook would struggle to co-exist as well as the shooters on the Warriors.  Too many ball-hogs and not enough efficient shooting.  Harden and Westbrook are both 34% three point shooters.  They would each fight over the ball jacking up shots.  Even if they allowed LeBron to run the offense, they aren't good enough shooters off the ball to win a shootout against a team of superstar 42% three point shooters. 

The team is the culmination of decades of athletic evolution and perfection of the sport.  Their four superstars are scientifically engineered for the modern style of NBA basketball.  Steph Curry is the best shooter to ever live.  Kevin Durant is the greatest pure offensive player to ever play the game.  Klay Thompson is of the 5 best shooters of all time.  Draymond Green is an ideal glue-guy Superstar. 

Do you know how many players in NBA history have averaged at least 19 points, at least 1 three pointer per game, while shooting at least 37% from three? Six.  They have half of them.   The six players:  Durant, Curry, Klay, Dirk, Mitch Richmond and Michael Redd.

You wouldn't beat them with Richmond, Redd and Dirk.

Golden State is unbeatable.
Oh, get over them.  Any team can be beaten.  They are one weak last 3 minutes from Cleveland from being tied in this series.
You can pretend like that is true if it helps you sleep better at night, but this is the greatest team ever assembled.  My hat's off to LeBron James for winning a game.  I imagine the 96 Bulls and 86 Celtics would manage to win a single game against them too.  We all know Golden State is going to wipe the floor with them Monday, though.  No team in history can beat Golden State in a 7 game series.  Unstoppable.

Jvalin:  There is nothing our team can do to compete with Golden State.  We have to just keep doing what we are doing, though.  Keep the team interesting in the short term and try to build for the long term.

Re: What does the team that beats GSW look like?
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2017, 05:52:44 AM »

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No team in NBA history could beat Golden State in a 7 game series. 

Even this year's 1st Team All-NBA team of Kawhi, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Harden and Westbrook would struggle to co-exist as well as the shooters on the Warriors.  Too many ball-hogs and not enough efficient shooting.  Harden and Westbrook are both 34% three point shooters.  They would each fight over the ball jacking up shots.  Even if they allowed LeBron to run the offense, they aren't good enough shooters off the ball to win a shootout against a team of superstar 42% three point shooters. 

The team is the culmination of decades of athletic evolution and perfection of the sport.  Their four superstars are scientifically engineered for the modern style of NBA basketball.  Steph Curry is the best shooter to ever live.  Kevin Durant is the greatest pure offensive player to ever play the game.  Klay Thompson is of the 5 best shooters of all time.  Draymond Green is an ideal glue-guy Superstar. 

Do you know how many players in NBA history have averaged at least 19 points, at least 1 three pointer per game, while shooting at least 37% from three? Six.  They have half of them.   The six players:  Durant, Curry, Klay, Dirk, Mitch Richmond and Michael Redd.

You wouldn't beat them with Richmond, Redd and Dirk.

Golden State is unbeatable.
Oh, get over them.  Any team can be beaten.  They are one weak last 3 minutes from Cleveland from being tied in this series.
You can pretend like that is true if it helps you sleep better at night, but this is the greatest team ever assembled.  My hat's off to LeBron James for winning a game.  I imagine the 96 Bulls and 86 Celtics would manage to win a single game against them too.  We all know Golden State is going to wipe the floor with them Monday, though.  No team in history can beat Golden State in a 7 game series.  Unstoppable.

Jvalin:  There is nothing our team can do to compete with Golden State.  We have to just keep doing what we are doing, though.  Keep the team interesting in the short term and try to build for the long term.
But if you believe that no matter what we do we can't beat them, what's the point in trying to compete? For instance, why not trade IT for a lotto pick this year? I could buy the argument that we need IT to sign Hayward. What if we miss on Hayward though? Should we take a step back then?

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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2017, 06:41:41 AM »

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No team in NBA history could beat Golden State in a 7 game series. 

Even this year's 1st Team All-NBA team of Kawhi, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Harden and Westbrook would struggle to co-exist as well as the shooters on the Warriors.  Too many ball-hogs and not enough efficient shooting.  Harden and Westbrook are both 34% three point shooters.  They would each fight over the ball jacking up shots.  Even if they allowed LeBron to run the offense, they aren't good enough shooters off the ball to win a shootout against a team of superstar 42% three point shooters. 

The team is the culmination of decades of athletic evolution and perfection of the sport.  Their four superstars are scientifically engineered for the modern style of NBA basketball.  Steph Curry is the best shooter to ever live.  Kevin Durant is the greatest pure offensive player to ever play the game.  Klay Thompson is of the 5 best shooters of all time.  Draymond Green is an ideal glue-guy Superstar. 

Do you know how many players in NBA history have averaged at least 19 points, at least 1 three pointer per game, while shooting at least 37% from three? Six.  They have half of them.   The six players:  Durant, Curry, Klay, Dirk, Mitch Richmond and Michael Redd.

You wouldn't beat them with Richmond, Redd and Dirk.

Golden State is unbeatable.
Oh, get over them.  Any team can be beaten.  They are one weak last 3 minutes from Cleveland from being tied in this series.
You can pretend like that is true if it helps you sleep better at night, but this is the greatest team ever assembled.  My hat's off to LeBron James for winning a game.  I imagine the 96 Bulls and 86 Celtics would manage to win a single game against them too.  We all know Golden State is going to wipe the floor with them Monday, though.  No team in history can beat Golden State in a 7 game series.  Unstoppable.

Jvalin:  There is nothing our team can do to compete with Golden State.  We have to just keep doing what we are doing, though.  Keep the team interesting in the short term and try to build for the long term.
But if you believe that no matter what we do we can't beat them, what's the point in trying to compete? For instance, why not trade IT for a lotto pick this year? I could buy the argument that we need IT to sign Hayward. What if we miss on Hayward though? Should we take a step back then?
I agree with the approach, I don't think we can realistically compete with golden state but that doesn't mean you take a step back. Going through tough playoff battles at a young age will be huge for the development of fultz and brown, allow them to see what actually wins basketball and show them what areas of their games need improvement, and you never know about injuries so if you can keep the key young guys you should still try to win as many games and advance as far as possible.

Re: What does the team that beats GSW look like?
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2017, 06:49:28 AM »

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No team in NBA history could beat Golden State in a 7 game series. 

I think some of the bulls teams and the 86 Celtics would beat them soundly.    Both of those teams played physical defense.   Your going to have to beat up their reed thin guys like Durant and Curry.   I too, think Curry would be ineffective in an era where you could hand check.

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I don't think it is defeatist to say that is near impossible to put together a team right now that would compete with GS. I think a good strategist would try to build for the future to maximize their opportunity to win.

In a couple of years GS is going to be paying their 4 guys max money. That should potentially change the competitive landscape.

The Celtics are positioned to become the next GS. By drafting very talented players and paying them very little (on a relative basis), they can go out and make a splash by signing the next KD.

Stay the course, be patient. Be happy with the 3rd round of the playoffs (Clippers fans would love this). 2022 will be here in no time! Heck, 2008 seemed like yesterday.

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No team in NBA history could beat Golden State in a 7 game series. 

I think some of the bulls teams and the 86 Celtics would beat them soundly.    Both of those teams played physical defense.   Your going to have to beat up their reed thin guys like Durant and Curry.   I too, think Curry would be ineffective in an era where you could hand check.

Couldn't disagree more. Not one team has ever had the talents of Curry and Durant on the same team. They are the #2 and #3 players in the NBA (in my opinion).

I feel like you're not giving Klay, Draymond and Iguodala their credit as defenders.

Who on the Bulls or the Warriors would guard Curry or Durant? I can't name one that would prevent them from going off every game. Lebron can't get it done. You think anyone on the 80s Celtics has his athleticism and defensive chops?

The problem isn't their top notch talent necessarily. The issue is that they have 3 elite offensive options. I bet you can't name another team that had this same talent in their prime.

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If the 92 Bulls or 86 Celtics had to play with today’s rules and today’s refs, Golden State would beat them. This Golden State team has simply mastered this era of pace and space better than anyone has before. However, if Golden State had to go back and play during the 80s and early 90s against those Celtics and Bulls teams, they would get crushed. You know how much easier it would be to defend Steph Curry if hand checking was allowed? You think skinny Steph and skinny KD would be able take the beatings that were handed out from Rodman, Mchale, Parrish? Refs let so much go back then, there were literal brawls on the court. So not only would the actual rules that were changed like hand checking make it significantly easier to guard Golden State, but the sheer physicality that was allowed back then and the way the game was played would kill them, especially KD and Steph.
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No team in NBA history could beat Golden State in a 7 game series. 

Even this year's 1st Team All-NBA team of Kawhi, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Harden and Westbrook would struggle to co-exist as well as the shooters on the Warriors.  Too many ball-hogs and not enough efficient shooting.  Harden and Westbrook are both 34% three point shooters.  They would each fight over the ball jacking up shots.  Even if they allowed LeBron to run the offense, they aren't good enough shooters off the ball to win a shootout against a team of superstar 42% three point shooters. 

The team is the culmination of decades of athletic evolution and perfection of the sport.  Their four superstars are scientifically engineered for the modern style of NBA basketball.  Steph Curry is the best shooter to ever live.  Kevin Durant is the greatest pure offensive player to ever play the game.  Klay Thompson is of the 5 best shooters of all time.  Draymond Green is an ideal glue-guy Superstar. 

Do you know how many players in NBA history have averaged at least 19 points, at least 1 three pointer per game, while shooting at least 37% from three? Six.  They have half of them.   The six players:  Durant, Curry, Klay, Dirk, Mitch Richmond and Michael Redd.

You wouldn't beat them with Richmond, Redd and Dirk.

Golden State is unbeatable.
Oh, get over them.  Any team can be beaten.  They are one weak last 3 minutes from Cleveland from being tied in this series.
You can pretend like that is true if it helps you sleep better at night, but this is the greatest team ever assembled.  My hat's off to LeBron James for winning a game.  I imagine the 96 Bulls and 86 Celtics would manage to win a single game against them too.  We all know Golden State is going to wipe the floor with them Monday, though.  No team in history can beat Golden State in a 7 game series.  Unstoppable.

Jvalin:  There is nothing our team can do to compete with Golden State.  We have to just keep doing what we are doing, though.  Keep the team interesting in the short term and try to build for the long term.
But if you believe that no matter what we do we can't beat them, what's the point in trying to compete? For instance, why not trade IT for a lotto pick this year? I could buy the argument that we need IT to sign Hayward. What if we miss on Hayward though? Should we take a step back then?
I agree with the approach, I don't think we can realistically compete with golden state but that doesn't mean you take a step back. Going through tough playoff battles at a young age will be huge for the development of fultz and brown, allow them to see what actually wins basketball and show them what areas of their games need improvement, and you never know about injuries so if you can keep the key young guys you should still try to win as many games and advance as far as possible.
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe we should tank. After all, we have the Nets doing all the tanking for us. ;) What I am saying is we should start building for the future. Fultz is definitely our starting point guard moving forward. The way I see it, we should trade IT and start Fultz next year.

Problem is, many people believe that if we trade IT we won't sign Hayward. What if we miss on Hayward though? Should we trade IT then? That's what I'm asking.

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Re: What does the team that beats GSW look like?
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If the 92 Bulls or 86 Celtics had to play with today’s rules and today’s refs, Golden State would beat them

This is precisely why I think a lot of the numbers today are artificial and inflated.   But I concur with your premise.