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Which is the greatest team in NBA history?

1964-65 Boston Celtics (Russell, Havlicek, Sam Jones, Tommy)
7 (10.4%)
1971-72 L.A. Lakers (Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich)
1 (1.5%)
1985-86 Boston Celtics (Bird, McHale, Parish, Bill Walton, Dennis Johnson)
38 (56.7%)
1986-87 L.A. Lakers (Magic, Kareem, James Worthy)
1 (1.5%)
1995-96 Chicago Bulls (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc)
8 (11.9%)
2001-02 L.A. Lakers (Shaq, Kobe)
0 (0%)
2016-17 Golden State Warriors (Durant, Curry, Green, Klay Thompson)
12 (17.9%)
other (please specify below)
0 (0%)

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Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #75 on: June 08, 2017, 03:45:17 PM »

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You think McHale, Bird and Parish are running with this team?

Running wouldn't be a problem. The Celtics played at a faster pace than the Warriors, and routinely faced teams playing more quickly than the Dubs.

Before McHale broke that foot he could literally guard anyone...

Please provide an athlete remotely comparable to Kevin Durant from the 80s who was a 50-40-90 guy.

Why? Durant isn't a 50-40-90 guy.
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Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2017, 03:49:06 PM »

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You think McHale, Bird and Parish are running with this team?

Running wouldn't be a problem. The Celtics played at a faster pace than the Warriors, and routinely faced teams playing more quickly than the Dubs.

Before McHale broke that foot he could literally guard anyone...

Please provide an athlete remotely comparable to Kevin Durant from the 80s who was a 50-40-90 guy.

Why? Durant isn't a 50-40-90 guy.
Durant has done that, making him a 50-40-90 guy. 
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Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #77 on: June 08, 2017, 04:36:52 PM »

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You think McHale, Bird and Parish are running with this team?

Running wouldn't be a problem. The Celtics played at a faster pace than the Warriors, and routinely faced teams playing more quickly than the Dubs.

Before McHale broke that foot he could literally guard anyone...

Please provide an athlete remotely comparable to Kevin Durant from the 80s who was a 50-40-90 guy.

Why? Durant isn't a 50-40-90 guy.
Durant has done that, making him a 50-40-90 guy.

I forgot he did that.

You're right, I'm wrong. Thanks!
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Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2017, 04:38:12 PM »

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You think McHale, Bird and Parish are running with this team?

Running wouldn't be a problem. The Celtics played at a faster pace than the Warriors, and routinely faced teams playing more quickly than the Dubs.

Before McHale broke that foot he could literally guard anyone...

Please provide an athlete remotely comparable to Kevin Durant from the 80s who was a 50-40-90 guy.

Why? Durant isn't a 50-40-90 guy.
Durant has done that, making him a 50-40-90 guy.

I forgot he did that.

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no problem.  It was awhile ago.  He has hit all of those marks multiple times, though only did all 3 in the same season that one time.
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Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2017, 05:51:06 PM »

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You think McHale, Bird and Parish are running with this team?

Running wouldn't be a problem. The Celtics played at a faster pace than the Warriors, and routinely faced teams playing more quickly than the Dubs.

Before McHale broke that foot he could literally guard anyone...

Please provide an athlete remotely comparable to Kevin Durant from the 80s who was a 50-40-90 guy.

Why? Durant isn't a 50-40-90 guy.
Durant has done that, making him a 50-40-90 guy.

McHale had a .553 FG%, .405 3p% and a .893 FT% in 90-91 season when he was past his prime and he wasn't the same because he played on a broken foot in 86-87 season...

Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2017, 05:52:54 PM »

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You think McHale, Bird and Parish are running with this team?

Running wouldn't be a problem. The Celtics played at a faster pace than the Warriors, and routinely faced teams playing more quickly than the Dubs.

Before McHale broke that foot he could literally guard anyone...

Please provide an athlete remotely comparable to Kevin Durant from the 80s who was a 50-40-90 guy.

Why? Durant isn't a 50-40-90 guy.
Durant has done that, making him a 50-40-90 guy.

McHale had a .553 FG%, .405 3p% and a .893 FT% in 90-91 season when he was past his prime and he wasn't the same because he played on a broken foot in 86-87 season...

Of course, he only attempted 37 threes that year.

Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2017, 07:38:03 PM »

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You think McHale, Bird and Parish are running with this team?

Running wouldn't be a problem. The Celtics played at a faster pace than the Warriors, and routinely faced teams playing more quickly than the Dubs.

Before McHale broke that foot he could literally guard anyone...

Please provide an athlete remotely comparable to Kevin Durant from the 80s who was a 50-40-90 guy.

Why? Durant isn't a 50-40-90 guy.
Durant has done that, making him a 50-40-90 guy.

McHale had a .553 FG%, .405 3p% and a .893 FT% in 90-91 season when he was past his prime and he wasn't the same because he played on a broken foot in 86-87 season...

Of course, he only attempted 37 threes that year.

Granted, but if he had started shooting that shot earlier he would've been a very good 3 point shooter. McHale was an amazing player that could do everything. His career got cut short because he played on that broken foot but he was incredible defensively, offensively he could guard all 5 positions and was the best low post scorer in the NBA and he could shoot free throws!

Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2017, 08:31:28 PM »

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They could be. They are certainly in the discussion.

lets see the whole body of work before crowning them.

I think the '87 Lakers, '86 Celtics and '96 Bulls are all in that discussion.


Lakers never would have won in '87, if Boston wasn't riddled with injuries. That and a McHale-Parrish dropped rebound.....
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Re: Which is the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #83 on: June 08, 2017, 08:34:48 PM »

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86 Celtics.  5 of their top 6 are in the HOF, and Ainge was a heck of a player.

I agree. Put down the '84 Celtics as well-and the '85 Lakers.

Golden State would struggle to rebound against both of those teams. Boston would be able to control the 2nd chance opportunities, limiting the fast break of Golden State.  Showtime Lakers would make it difficult for Golden State as well.
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Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #84 on: June 08, 2017, 08:34:54 PM »

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McHale was an amazing player but his career never got cut short.  He played half of his career after playing on his broken foot.

Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #85 on: June 08, 2017, 08:39:21 PM »

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McHale was an amazing player but his career never got cut short.  He played half of his career after playing on his broken foot.

Yes, but he was not the same player after that... I should have said he wasn't the same after that. He was still an excellent player just not the same...

Re: Which is the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #86 on: June 09, 2017, 08:25:35 AM »

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86 Celtics.  5 of their top 6 are in the HOF, and Ainge was a heck of a player.

I agree. Put down the '84 Celtics as well-and the '85 Lakers.

Golden State would struggle to rebound against both of those teams. Boston would be able to control the 2nd chance opportunities, limiting the fast break of Golden State.  Showtime Lakers would make it difficult for Golden State as well.
Walton is in the HOF, but he was far from a HOF player in 86.  DJ while in the HOF was no where near a 1st ballot guy.  It isn't like the C's had 5 surefire HOFers in their prime.  They had 3 (though Parish is as much a longevity thing as anything).  Bird and McHale were talented freak of nature type players (though Bird more for intelligence and nastiness as pure athleticism). 

There are many comparisons to the Warriors in that regard.  Curry and Durant are the Bird and McHale type players.  Thompson is the DJ.  Green is a Parish level talent.  Iggy is fairly similar to Walton (at that point in Walton's career and Iggy might actually be better).  Livingston and Ainge were similar level players throughout their careers.  There really is no comparison for someone like West except perhaps a lesser version of Walton but he is certainly on par with Wedman. 

Obviously Boston is a lot bigger, but Golden State is a lot faster, way more athletic, and overall a much better shooting team (though the C's were quite good especially for the era).  Under the modern rules, I just don't see how the C's could stay with the Warriors.  I think Green would do alright on McHale, and while Parish and Walton would be difficult to defend (though Zaza and McGee aren't bad defenders), it isn't like those guys were #1 or #2 scoring option type players (again at that point of Walton's career). 
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Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #87 on: June 09, 2017, 09:52:19 AM »

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Btw looking back at the 70s Celtics imo they could hang with the Warriors (ofc with adjustments in strategy and schemes). Them starting a White-Scott-Havlicek-Silas-Cowens lineup would give GSW a lot of problems (also heights listed are without shoes, add 2 inches to each player). White can D up Curry well as well as make him work on the other end, Scott is just a good role player that can do what he's supposed to do on Klay, Hondo can absolutely shut down KD (he shut down Dr.J when he was 38) and get his on the other end, Silas would cancel out Green as well as win on the boards. Finally Cowens would absolutely kill Zaza and McGee. The bench is a little suspect but in a 7 game series it's possible to hide a weak bench.
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Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #88 on: June 09, 2017, 10:26:38 AM »

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I voted for the '85-'86 Celtics team. I haven't read every post, but I remember just how smart that team was too. I have read some post on how the Celtics couldn't guard this Warriors team. That is true to an extent, but how would the Warriors guard the Celtics front court? I could easily see the Celtics posting Green's man virtually ten times in a row down the court until he was forced to sit the bench because of foul trouble. They would then do the same to KD. That Celtics team exploited every mismatch possible or would create them. Bird would also take advantage of the pick and roll, by getting the mismatched man in foul trouble too. BTW, that Celtics 2nd team was pretty good too, which would have been a clear advantage also.

Re: Are the 2016-17 Warriors the greatest team in NBA history?
« Reply #89 on: June 09, 2017, 03:06:43 PM »

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You think McHale, Bird and Parish are running with this team?

Running wouldn't be a problem. The Celtics played at a faster pace than the Warriors, and routinely faced teams playing more quickly than the Dubs.

Before McHale broke that foot he could literally guard anyone...

Please provide an athlete remotely comparable to Kevin Durant from the 80s who was a 50-40-90 guy.

Why? Durant isn't a 50-40-90 guy.
Durant has done that, making him a 50-40-90 guy.

McHale had a .553 FG%, .405 3p% and a .893 FT% in 90-91 season when he was past his prime and he wasn't the same because he played on a broken foot in 86-87 season...

Of course, he only attempted 37 threes that year.

This.

He was also not the athlete Durant is.