Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?

[TheSundanceKid]

If the goal is to create max cap space, renouncing Kelly is not an option (unless we stash both Zizic and Yabu).

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

The latest salary cap projection has the cap at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max.

What are you basing the cap hold for the #1 pick on?

120% of the slot salary. In the past the slot salary was the cap hold instead of the 120% they almost always signed for. Teams took advantage of this to create extra cap space. The new CBA has cut out this loop hole.

[Roy H.]

If the goal is to create max cap space, renouncing Kelly is not an option (unless we stash both Zizic and Yabu).

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

The latest salary cap projection has the cap at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max.

What are you basing the cap hold for the #1 pick on?

$5,855,200 rookie scale x 120% = $7,026,240 cap hold

I don't know if the $5.8 million base salary is accurate or not.

[tazzmaniac]

Would trading for Melo just kill our cap space to sign  Hayward?

Not if we sent out equivalent salary (e.g. Horford). 

[Surferdad]

If the goal is to create max cap space, renouncing Kelly is not an option (unless we stash both Zizic and Yabu).

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

The latest salary cap projection has the cap at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max.

What are you basing the cap hold for the #1 pick on?

$5,855,200 rookie scale x 120% = $7,026,240 cap hold

I don't know if the $5.8 million base salary is accurate or not.

Jvalin, that math actually works if you add one more consideration: If they sign Hayward, you can subtract $815,615 because one less roster spot would be open (3 instead of 4).  That makes up for the $329,304 shortfall, right?
EDIT:  Roy H pointed out the same thing:

As soon as we sign Hayward, the cap charge for his roster slot disappears. Add another $815k, meaning that we're fine.

[tazzmaniac]

If the goal is to create max cap space, renouncing Kelly is not an option (unless we stash both Zizic and Yabu).

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

The latest salary cap projection has the cap at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max.

What are you basing the cap hold for the #1 pick on?

$5,855,200 rookie scale x 120% = $7,026,240 cap hold

I don't know if the $5.8 million base salary is accurate or not.

Why would you use 120% for the cap hold?  Teams have the option of paying between 80% and 120% but until rookies are actually signed I would think the unadjusted rookie scale would be used.  So why couldn't we just hold off signing our rookies until after we sign Hayward? 

Edit:  Looks like the change to use 120% is part of the new CBA. 

[Jvalin]

As soon as we sign Hayward, the cap charge for his roster slot disappears. Add another $815k, meaning that we're fine.

Jvalin, that math actually works if you add one more consideration: If they sign Hayward, you can subtract $815,615 because one less roster spot would be open (3 instead of 4).  That makes up for the $329,304 shortfall, right?

The way I understand it, the cap charge cannot disappear unless a contract has been signed. No doubting you guys, but have you read somewhere that it works the other way around?

I don't know if the $5.8 million base salary is accurate or not.

I took the numbers from here
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2018

[Roy H.]

As soon as we sign Hayward, the cap charge for his roster slot disappears. Add another $815k, meaning that we're fine.

Jvalin, that math actually works if you add one more consideration: If they sign Hayward, you can subtract $815,615 because one less roster spot would be open (3 instead of 4).  That makes up for the $329,304 shortfall, right?

No doubting you guys, but have you read somewhere that it works the other way around? The way I understand it, the cap charge cannot disappear unless a contract has been signed.

Yes, I'm sure.

To simplify it, just add up all the salaries, cap holds and cap charges after Hayward signs a max.

Are we still under the cap? If so, we're fine.

[Donoghus]

In a vacuum?  Olynk...easily.

In reality?  Bradley, unfortunately.

[Jvalin]

As soon as we sign Hayward, the cap charge for his roster slot disappears. Add another $815k, meaning that we're fine.

Jvalin, that math actually works if you add one more consideration: If they sign Hayward, you can subtract $815,615 because one less roster spot would be open (3 instead of 4).  That makes up for the $329,304 shortfall, right?

No doubting you guys, but have you read somewhere that it works the other way around? The way I understand it, the cap charge cannot disappear unless a contract has been signed.

Yes, I'm sure.

To simplify it, just add up all the salaries, cap holds and cap charges after Hayward signs a max.

Are we still under the cap? If so, we're fine.

If that's how it works, then we are fine.

Where have you seen this though? Can you please post a link or something? No doubting you mate, it's just that I would be interested to read it.