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Who would you rather lose to help create max cap space?

Bye Olynyk
25 (78.1%)
Bye Bradley
7 (21.9%)

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Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« on: May 25, 2017, 11:25:11 PM »

Offline JBcat

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It seems like the biggest piece we'll lose is either renouncing Kelly or trading Avery to help create max space.  I'm curious with this poll what people prefer.  I guess it's tied into the question if you prefer to sign Griffin or Hayward.

For me it's letting Kelly go (maybe in a sign and trade), and keeping Bradley for a few reasons. Re-signing Kelly is going to cost somewhere around 15 million, and he is too inconsistent for my liking to sign him for that much.  I don't think he will get much more consistent at this point which is a shame as he teases us with his talent, but he has too many disappearing acts. 

Bradley is up for a big contract as well a year from now, but he is a much more dependable player while both around the same age.

It ties into my preference to sign Griffin over Hayward even though he is the riskier signing.  Very good big men are hard to find, and I'd rather take that risk.  Having Horford, Griffin and the room exception to sign a big man sounds much better than Horford, Olynyk, and Room exception to sign a big man while keeping our wing and guard depth.

Hayward seems much more of a SF than SG so if you trade Bradley can Hayward chase around the faster 2 guards in the league?

Even if we sign Hayward and keep Bradley maybe you just start small with Crowder at PF.   Not ideal but better overall talent, and make other trades later on for better roster fit. With Smart and Fultz being big guards you could play many 3 guard lineups which Stevens does now anyway.

Maybe I like Bradley too much but I'd rather keep him (at least for now), and let Kelly go.

I'm looking at a roster like:

Horford/Zizic
Griffin/room exception
Crowder/Brown
Bradley/Smart
Thomas/Fultz (I'm guessing Rozier will have to be traded)

Or

Horford/Zizic
Crowder/room exception
Hayward/Brown
Bradley/Smart
Thomas/Fultz

With another trade down the line for a big to help the roster fit.

If you go with my first option you still have plenty of pieces to trade for a star wing which is a little easier to get than a star big.

Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2017, 11:28:10 PM »

Offline knuckleballer

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Bradley is the better player, but we are drafting Fultz, so bye Bradley.

Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2017, 11:29:04 PM »

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Olynyk had one great game in these playoffs and that was Game 7 against the Wizards.

Other than that, he has been either mediocre or a liability. Easily lose Olynyk lol.

Bradley, on the other hand, need to stay healthy and play his D like 2012 or he's gone in my books too.


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Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2017, 11:29:12 PM »

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We CANNOT start Crowder at SF anymore going forward. If it means getting Melo, do it.

It's time to let KO walk and either trade Crowder or move him to the bench.

Keep IT and AB one more year.

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2017, 11:30:45 PM »

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So trade Avery or let KO walk?  Presumably we get equal value back for trading Avery right?

Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2017, 11:35:24 PM »

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So trade Avery or let KO walk?  Presumably we get equal value back for trading Avery right?

I should have clarified but you would have to trade Bradley for a future pick in order to help get that max cap space.

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2017, 11:42:41 PM »

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It's more like, which would you prefer:

1. Avery, possibility to give Hayward just short of the max; or

2. KO (including his contract to use in trade), Rozier, picks that we get for AB, ability to pay Hayward full max

Since Avery is going into his contract year, and because we have one big man in the roster versus a glut of guards, I think we need to try to keep KO.


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Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2017, 11:42:53 PM »

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I think its Kelly and Crowder. Keep Bradley and figure it out.

Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2017, 08:04:38 AM »

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It sounds ridiculous, but it has to be 'bye Bradley.'

First, we will actually get an asset in return (in the form of a future pick) whereas KO will leave for nothing. And, as Roy said, you also get to keep Rozier who has multiple years left on his super-bargain rookie contract.

But, I am not necessarily in the keep KO club. His contract after next season is going to be very difficult to manage on this roster. With Horford, IT, and Hayward all making max dollars, Smart getting a substantial raise, and even our high picks taking up decent cap space, we are going to venture into luxury tax land very quickly. I suppose we could always trade KO after next season, but that assumes that a team with cap space would want to trade us a pick for him.

I wonder how much it may take to keep a guy like JJ instead. I realize he doesn't have all of the intangibles that KO does, but if he would stay for a similar amount that he is getting now ($5M), then that could save a lot of luxury tax dollars in the future. It may also allow us to bring over Yabusele. His current cap hold right now is like $9.5M so he would need to be renounced either way.

Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2017, 08:19:15 AM »

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I think what ends up happening is Olynyk is renounced and Smart is traded. To my mind if we are signing Hayward then we are trying to make ourselves competitive with the Cavs, in that case you have to consider what kind of roster gets you closer. Olynyk cant play in a Cavs series, he's just too bad defensively, if I have to see Lebron James roast him on a switch one more time my head will explode. Smart has the opposite problem, since he destroys spacing offensively. Bradley and Crowder are better two way players. Also, hanging onto Bradley may make sense since he has the largest contract of the group. This could be used for helping match salaries in a trade for say Paul George or Jimmy Butler, iif you really want to go for it next year.

Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2017, 08:29:56 AM »

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If the goal is to create max cap space, renouncing Kelly is not an option (unless we stash both Zizic and Yabu).

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

The latest salary cap projection has the cap at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max. :( :(

Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2017, 08:41:32 AM »

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If the goal is to create max cap space, renouncing Kelly is not an option (unless we stash both Zizic and Yabu).

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

The latest salary cap projection has the cap at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max. :( :(

Very nice breakdown.  TP

It would be nice if the cap ends up a little higher.

I guess we could try stashing Zizic for another year.  He is after all only 20 years old, but we are already thin up front as it is.  That's why my preference is for Griffin because of roster fit.

Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2017, 08:53:38 AM »

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If the goal is to create max cap space, renouncing Kelly is not an option (unless we stash both Zizic and Yabu).

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

The latest salary cap projection has the cap at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max. :( :(

As soon as we sign Hayward, the cap charge for his roster slot disappears. Add another $815k, meaning that we're fine.


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Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2017, 09:02:54 AM »

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If the goal is to create max cap space, renouncing Kelly is not an option (unless we stash both Zizic and Yabu).

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

The latest salary cap projection has the cap at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max. :( :(
What are you basing the cap hold for the #1 pick on? 

Re: Lose Olynyk or Bradley to help create max cap space?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2017, 09:14:30 AM »

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Would trading for Melo just kill our cap space to sign  Hayward?