Author Topic: Could Hayward Take A 500K Pay-Cut, Or Would That Affect His "Max" Badly?  (Read 3627 times)

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Offline Smokeeye123

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Gordon Hayward will make 10X that by coming over to Boston anyways. Just imagine how much Dunkin Donuts will pay him to drink coffee with Gronkowski and David Ortiz.

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If we renounce Klynyk and Stash Yabu and trade Rozier, are we still short?
Yep, just a bit short. If we want to offer Hayward a 4-year max, we have to trade away one more guaranteed contract.

I was under the impression that renouncing KO and trading Rozier for a future pick would get it done. KOs cap hold ($7.7M) and Rozier's salary (~$2M) equal about $9.7M

If we just traded AB and kept KO and Rozier, I think we would be about $450K short. AB's salary is $8.8M. That $900K difference should be enough to make up that amount for a full Hayward max...but I hate the idea of trading Rozier - who has multiple years left at a bargain price - as a salary dump.

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You won't get Hayward for less than Max.  He's already giving up some cash by turning down Utah.  DA is smart enough to make the moves to clear space. 

The main, main thing is getting Hayward signed first.  Fultz+Hayward equals a significantly more potent Celtics offense next season.  Get it done, Danny!!

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If we renounce Klynyk and Stash Yabu and trade Rozier, are we still short?
Yep, just a bit short. If we want to offer Hayward a 4-year max, we have to trade away one more guaranteed contract.

I was under the impression that renouncing KO and trading Rozier for a future pick would get it done. KOs cap hold ($7.7M) and Rozier's salary (~$2M) equal about $9.7M

If we just traded AB and kept KO and Rozier, I think we would be about $450K short. AB's salary is $8.8M. That $900K difference should be enough to make up that amount for a full Hayward max...but I hate the idea of trading Rozier - who has multiple years left at a bargain price - as a salary dump.
Unfortunately, that's not the case.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

The latest salary cap projection has the cap at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max. :( :(
« Last Edit: May 25, 2017, 03:53:50 PM by Jvalin »

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If we renounce Klynyk and Stash Yabu and trade Rozier, are we still short?
Yep, just a bit short. If we want to offer Hayward a 4-year max, we have to trade away one more guaranteed contract.

I was under the impression that renouncing KO and trading Rozier for a future pick would get it done. KOs cap hold ($7.7M) and Rozier's salary (~$2M) equal about $9.7M

If we just traded AB and kept KO and Rozier, I think we would be about $450K short. AB's salary is $8.8M. That $900K difference should be enough to make up that amount for a full Hayward max...but I hate the idea of trading Rozier - who has multiple years left at a bargain price - as a salary dump.
Unfortunately, that's not the case.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

Salary cap is projected at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max. :( :(

If you keep Jackson instead of creating a cap hold I think you have enough!

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If we renounce Klynyk and Stash Yabu and trade Rozier, are we still short?
Yep, just a bit short. If we want to offer Hayward a 4-year max, we have to trade away one more guaranteed contract.

I was under the impression that renouncing KO and trading Rozier for a future pick would get it done. KOs cap hold ($7.7M) and Rozier's salary (~$2M) equal about $9.7M

If we just traded AB and kept KO and Rozier, I think we would be about $450K short. AB's salary is $8.8M. That $900K difference should be enough to make up that amount for a full Hayward max...but I hate the idea of trading Rozier - who has multiple years left at a bargain price - as a salary dump.
Unfortunately, that's not the case.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume we do the following :

1. trade Rozier - Jackson for draft pick(s)/salary relief
2. renounce Kelly - Amir - Jerebko - Green - Young
3. decline team option on Mickey
4. stash Yabu overseas/in the D-League

We will still have :

Horford - $27,734,405
Bradley - $8,808,989
Crowder - $6,796,117
Thomas - $6,261,394
Brown - $4,956,480
Smart - $4,538,019

SUM : $59,095,404 for 6 players

+ cap hold for the #1 pick : $7,026,240
+ cap hold for Zizic (#23) : $1,645,200

SUM : $67,766,844 for 8 players

Teams are assessed a $815,615 roster charge for each open spot below 12 players.

$815,615 x 4 = $3,262,460

$67,766,844 + $3,262,460 = $71,029,304 for 12 players

Salary cap is projected at $101,000,000.

$101,000,000 - $71,029,304 = $29,970,696 available in cap space

The max contract for 7-year vets starts at 30% of the cap.

101,000,000 x 30% = $30,300,000

29,970,696 - 30,300,000 =  -329,304

That is $329,304 short of Hayward's max. :( :(

If you keep Jackson instead of creating a cap hold I think you have enough!
Jackson has $650k guaranteed if not waived on or before 7/15/17. If we keep him and then just drop him we will save $815,615 - $650,000 = $165,615. Still not good enough. We will be 329,304 - 165,615 = $163,689 short of Hayward's max.

Not sure if this is possible though. Does anybody know for sure how the CBA works when a team decides to dump an unwanted contract? I mean, would we still have 12 players (considering the roster charges) or would we go down to 11?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2017, 04:42:28 PM by Jvalin »

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Hayward would already be walking away from more money in Utah and people expect him to take a further cut to play on a comparable team? We aren't GS.

Yeah that's the unfortunate reality.

The cap projection (101M) just had to screw us, didn't it...  :'(
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When LeBron and Bosh joined Wade and the Heat, they all took a little less than the max.  Not just so they could join forces, but I believe part of the pitch was so they could keep key players like Udonis Haslem.

I'm sure a pitch could be made for Hayward (or whoever) to do the same.

As much as I'd love for that to happen, we don't have a Lebron, and we aren't a super team right now...
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With the thread and tweet posted here earlier saying the cap could actually go down 1M as a result of this being a sweep, I ask again:

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Is it worth trading away one of Bradley/Smart/Crowder JUST to make up for, what I'm reading as, being short of 500K to sign Hayward (even AFTER trading away Rozier apparently)

[NOW EVEN A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE CAP COULD GO DOWN 1M)
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With the thread and tweet posted here earlier saying the cap could actually go down 1M as a result of this being a sweep, I ask again:

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Is it worth trading away one of Bradley/Smart/Crowder JUST to make up for, what I'm reading as, being short of 500K to sign Hayward (even AFTER trading away Rozier apparently)

[NOW EVEN A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE CAP COULD GO DOWN 1M)

ok then, let's go cavs, get to a game 6